Why T-Bars are Trending Again

The Valar T-Bar opened at Cannon Mountain last year to service an expansive race venue, demonstrating one of reasons resorts are building new T-Bars these days.
Seventy percent of the 1,277 T-Bars, J-Bars and platter (sometimes called Poma) lifts built in North America to date are no longer in service.  That would suggest the traditional surface lift is a dying breed in the age of beginner-friendly carpets, which go in by the dozen every year of late.  But over the last two seasons, a bit of a renaissance has emerged, with more mountain resorts adding brand new T-Bars and platters.  Four T-Bars being completed right now represent the highest number in North America since 1987.  Even more resorts are considering building these classic surface lifts, although the reasons why have little to do with learning to ski.

Peak T-Bar construction occurred in 1964 (not shown) but the platter remained popular as a beginner lift into the 1990s when the carpet came along.  Peak J-Bar was back in 1967 and those are probably gone for good.

Race Training

Yesterday I visited both Burke Mountain, Vermont and Cannon Mountain, New Hampshire, where local ski clubs recently partnered to build dedicated surface lifts on terrain used for racing.  In some cases, these types of lifts are open to the public but other times not.  New T-Bars are relatively cheap with costs typically covered by donors and/or program fees.  Another reason for this application is speed; every T-Bar built since 2011 can move at least 550 feet per minute, significantly faster than most fixed-grip chairlifts.  The Franconia Notch Ski Club’s new T was built by LST Ropeways and goes up to 690 fpm; Burke Mountain Academy’s nearly-finished one is a Leitner, shown below.

Seeing the benefits of separating the racing scene from other mountain guests, Gould Academy is fundraising to build a T-Bar on Locke Mountain at Sunday River and the Aspen Valley Ski & Snowboard Club plans to add one to Highlands next summer.  The Vail Ski & Snowboard Club is also seeking approval from the Forest Service to add a surface lift on Golden Peak.

Sidecountry Adventures

Dodge Ridge’s new Doppelmayr looks like a beginner lift but is actually the opposite.
The rise of backcountry touring shows advanced skiers are nowadays looking for something more adventurous than a typically-developed ski resort.  A number of mountains have turned to T-Bars, giving access to fringe terrain that might not otherwise attract enough traffic to justify the expense of a chairlift.  Although platters and T-Bars proved over the years to be lousy beginner lifts, they are excellent for riders already seeking a challenge.  Dodge Ridge, California added a short but sweet one called T643 that opens up an entire new ridgeline.

The Mt. Stickney expansion at Bretton Woods features a classic log cabin and T-Bar but skips snowmaking.
For its visitors seeking that natural skiing experience, Bretton Woods debuted the Telegraph T-Bar in 2012 with marketing director Craig Clemmer telling the Boston Globe at the time, “We wanted it to be a more rustic, backcountry experience harkening back to the original era of the Mt. Washingotn hotel.”  Response has apparently been overwhelmingly positive and other recent T-Bars serving this function include Lookout Vista at Kirkwood and Idyle Our at Schweitzer.  Sugarloaf has made no secret its desire to build a T-Bar up the large but rugged Burnt Mountain, a lift which would fit perfectly with its brand.  Northstar is eyeing something similar.

Real Estate

My third explanation for why T-Bars are coming back is economic.  Think about the value a six-figure platter lift could add to neighboring private lands.  The developers of Spanish Peaks, the Yellowstone Club and Tamarack strung up six of these things from 2004-2007, adding literally millions of dollars of value to lots.  They can be operated with only one attendant using a video camera at one end.  The catches are terrain must be suitable for grooming and long-term operating costs must be considered.

The Rock Creek Poma at Tamarack, Idaho serves an entire neighborhood of ski-in, ski-out homes.
Still more advantages of surface lifts include their burliness in ridge top winds and the fact that there’s no need for auxiliary and evacuation drive systems.  These are relatively simple machines, with new market player LST even skipping hydraulic tensioning in favor of counterweights.  With LST in the market, three capable players will compete for many T-Bar projects going forward with used equipment also an option.  At least two more platters/T-Bars are likely to be built in 2018 and I wouldn’t be surprised to see this year’s number topped again.

Storm King at Copper Mountain, CO on a day failing to live up to its name.

19 thoughts on “Why T-Bars are Trending Again

  1. Kyle W. November 9, 2017 / 7:39 pm

    This is a great article, glad to see you are back here in New England – lots of resorts in VT you haven’t covered yet! Hopefully you have time to visit them.


    • Peter Landsman November 10, 2017 / 5:05 pm

      I got to a few; many more to go. The big ones are so much easier to do on skis rather than feet. I’ll have to come back.


  2. Dhowe November 9, 2017 / 8:16 pm

    My two favorite lifts at Mammoth, where I instructed for a year, were T-bars 1 and 2. They offered wind protection, speed, no lines, and the option to simply ski away if there was a stoppage. Alas they were eventually replaced with chairlifts. In the Alps, surface lifts access a lot of interesting terrain once a massive tram or gondola brings you up from valley level. But even in the Alps surface lifts are mostly giving way to chairlifts

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    • Cameron Halmrast November 9, 2017 / 10:54 pm

      The two old T-bars at Mammoth appear to be Riblets. Can you clarify this because in the old Warren Miller movies, the T-bars feature Riblet towers.


    • Ed Feten July 19, 2020 / 5:19 pm

      I used to ski T-Bar 1 at Mammoth. Fascination was one of my favorite runs!


  3. Terry Godbout November 9, 2017 / 8:46 pm

    Hi Peter,

    I started a Facebook page several years ago called Elite Skiing. Right now it is up to 18,000 members from countries:


    I would like to get permission from you to post some of your stuff on our Group’s Page as I know a lot of our members would appreciate. We run a very high class Facebook page and about half of our members work at ski areas.

    Please let me know one way or another. If you are on Facebook, I would love to have you join our Group.

    Terry Godbout

    Sent from my iPad



  4. Cameron Halmrast November 9, 2017 / 10:53 pm

    In addition, surface lifts are much cheaper to insure and do not require an evacuation plan.


  5. Sam Shirley November 10, 2017 / 6:06 am

    Where was the J-bar built last season?


    • Jules (ReaperSkier) November 10, 2017 / 6:56 am

      The new J-bar was built at Osler Bluff Ski Club in Ontario Canada.

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      • Erik Berg May 3, 2022 / 9:00 am

        I talked to them sounds like it was a platter that replaced the Jbar


  6. chip0 November 10, 2017 / 4:08 pm

    The difficulty with T-bars is that current regulations prohibit ski trails from crossing surface lifts, so they create kind of a barrier.


    • Peter Landsman November 10, 2017 / 5:07 pm

      Good point. This is probably why the new High Country T-Bar at Waterville is going through the woods rather than following the line of the old double/high speed quad. Probably the only terrain ever to go from a high-speed chairlift to a fixed-grip chairlift to surface lift.


    • pbropetech January 28, 2021 / 8:55 am

      I don’t think that’s strictly true. We have skier crossing on our Celebrity Ridge lift. True, an actual trail wouldn’t cross a surface lift line, but they aren’t a hard-and-fast barrier either.


      • Somebody January 28, 2021 / 11:44 am

        I’m not sure what American regulations are for T-bars, but I’ve seen actual trails/pistes that cross T-bars before in Switzerland.


        • Mr Incredible January 28, 2021 / 11:58 am

          I’ve seen the same in Italy and France although the trend in the Alps is to replace T bars with chairlifts. Generally, the attitude in those countries is more lenient when it comes to personal responsibility for actions rather than trying to regulate away all risk like we do here in the US. It’s probably an indicator that there are fewer lawyers scrounging for cases in the Alps.


  7. CHRISTOPH VOLLMER January 28, 2021 / 8:07 am

    Who is acutally still building the T bars? I’m want to buy some.


    • ne_skier January 28, 2021 / 8:32 am

      LST, Doppelmayr, Leitner Poma and some others are still making T-Bars new, plus some resorts are buying used T-Bars originally made by Hall, Doppelmayr/Alpine Lift etc


  8. liftnerd February 4, 2023 / 6:46 am

    Now here’s a question: why aren’t detachable platters coming back in North America? They can reach high speeds and go around corners. This seems like a good combination for the reasons above.


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