7th Heaven is one of three high speed quads that provide access from Whistler Village to the Blackcomb Glacier in the summertime.View of the line.Riding back down.Lower lift line.Bottom return station with parking rail.Lift line from the base.Chain-driven return terminal.The first few towers.The lower half of the line sits in the trees while the upper half is above treeline.Middle portion of the lift line.Riding up the treeless section.Custom Doppelmayr chair with racks for the former glacier skiing operation.Big breakover with four towers.Arriving at the top terminal.Drive terminal equipment.Upper station overview.Top turnaround area.Side view of the breakover.View down from the summit.Another view of the line.Upper line.The previous 7th Heaven lift had a midstation in this area.Looking up the line.Side view of the bottom terminal.Another view of the summit drive station.Lift line seen from Blackcomb Mountain
Pretty sure they’re just EJs. If you look at some old Doppelmayr quad videos, you’ll notice that the purpose of the racks on the back is to put your skis, and you ride up without them on. Pretty sure the headrests were just there for additional comfort. Wizard and Solar coaster both had them, and as I remember correctly, they worked well if you were wearing a helmet.
One of the main problems with the headrests is the vibrations. That can make them pretty uncomfortable, but not as uncomfortable as my friend described them to be.
If the EXIF data is to be believed, then it was taken in 2006. It would make sense that the downhill capacity rating was downgraded, rather than upgraded.
I believe this is one of the oldest photos on Liftblog along with Worth Mountain at Middlebury. One of the other ways that you can tell that this is old is the fact that they had the ambulance cabin on the line. Now it is on a parking rail next to the return terminal.
Can’t remember the dates exactly, but 7th was originally 100% download, I think we may have lowered it in 2001 when the new drive and motor went in and we removed towers 16 and 17. Subsequent to that, in the 2000’s we lowered to 50% because we were still having trouble achieving downhill stop times/distances.
The drive was changed because we discovered the motor was undersized. We put in a bigger motor, and then needed to put in a bigger drive to match. It was a good upgrade as we got rid of an old analog drive and replaced with a digital DCS500.
There was a mid station. It was towers 16 and 17. One was a support and one was a hold down. The hold down was able to be lowered with hydraulics run from a snowcat. The idea was on avalanche control days you could run the lift as a fixed grip to that point, then open it to the top once A/C was complete. It turned out to be a major PITA to to use so I think the whole concept was dropped pretty quickly.
I agree it could use an upgrade. In addition to its age, it often gets long lines, so a six (or maybe eight?) pack would be warranted. Whistler’s last master plan was updated in 2013 and it did not have 7th Heaven being upgraded. However, the plan was pre-Vail, and Vail has not followed the plan with some decisions (Blackcomb Gondola) and followed the plan for others (Catskinner and Emerald upgrades), so perhaps they will deviate once again for this.
Excuse you? How do you think he took these photos you inconsiderate twat. Peter works his ass off to take beautiful pictures of lifts across the North American continent, with knowledgable and accurately informative captions, that thousands of that thousands of members of ski community enjoy, and are appreciative of. Unlike you, who puts more effort into a username that a 12 year old xbox player would be embarrassed to write as his username. Increasing amounts of pretentious, entitled, and negative customers like you at Whistler/Blackomb are the reason I avoid that resort nowadays and go Mt Baker, Revelstoke, and Crystal mountain whenever i’m out West, where the communities are far more enthusiastic about the sport, welcoming, and skilled. You sir, have taken the crown as the rudest most prickish person ive ever seen on the otherwise incredibly positive and knowledgable Liftblog community.
I’ll add that his caption about the 3 HSQs was perfectly accurate. Blackcomb Glacier skiing was accessed by taking Wizard, then Solar Coaster, then taking a shuttle bus to this lift (7th Heaven). The same works in the winter but you can ski rather than bus.
And about the SSL certificate… never had an issue on this site. Works just fine for me now, as always.
Nothing particularly cool about the buses. School buses essentially that ran on Express way between the top of Solar and the bottom of 7th. The original ones came from the ’88 Calgary Olympics and were replaced with new Mercedes buses about 15 years ago. As there is no longer access from the top of 7th into the glacier in the summer, they are no longer used.
Kinda of a miracle/travesty they have not replaced this with a 6 pack yet. Miracle for me, because i got to wide a CLD-260 when i visited last year, which i have always wanted to do, but a travesty for everyone else with how long the lines always get on it.
they want to build a tram as well from the rondesvous up here. Perhaps this will be after the villg gondy. I think vail is going to have to invest yearly at whistler blackcomb.
ich habe noch nie so veraltetes liftmaterial wie in Whistler gesehen, die Gondeln und Sessellifte bleiben andauernd stehen und haben eine viel zu niedrige Kapazität und sie sind ohne wetterhauben, die Passagiere sind dem schlechten Wetter permanent ausgesetzt, sorry sowas gibt’s in den Alpen nicht. Da werden spätestens alle 15 Jahre die Liftanlagen ausgetauscht
“I have never seen such outdated lift equipment as in Whistler, the gondolas and chairlifts are constantly stopped and have far too low a capacity and they are without weather hoods, the passengers are constantly exposed to bad weather, sorry, there is no such thing in the Alps. The lift systems are replaced every 15 years at the latest”
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What kind of chairs are those with the headrests?
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Pretty sure they’re just EJs. If you look at some old Doppelmayr quad videos, you’ll notice that the purpose of the racks on the back is to put your skis, and you ride up without them on. Pretty sure the headrests were just there for additional comfort. Wizard and Solar coaster both had them, and as I remember correctly, they worked well if you were wearing a helmet.
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One of the main problems with the headrests is the vibrations. That can make them pretty uncomfortable, but not as uncomfortable as my friend described them to be.
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When was the last picture taken? It says 75% download capacity and I know for sure it was 50% in 2009 on remotees mecaniques.
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If the EXIF data is to be believed, then it was taken in 2006. It would make sense that the downhill capacity rating was downgraded, rather than upgraded.
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I believe this is one of the oldest photos on Liftblog along with Worth Mountain at Middlebury. One of the other ways that you can tell that this is old is the fact that they had the ambulance cabin on the line. Now it is on a parking rail next to the return terminal.
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If you have an iPhone you can save the image and it will tell you the date. It was taken on November 24, 2006.
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I wouldn’t call that an indicator. The ambulance cabin can be removed or installed whenever they need it.
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Can’t remember the dates exactly, but 7th was originally 100% download, I think we may have lowered it in 2001 when the new drive and motor went in and we removed towers 16 and 17. Subsequent to that, in the 2000’s we lowered to 50% because we were still having trouble achieving downhill stop times/distances.
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That’s interesting. Why were the towers removed? And were they replaced? And why was the drive changed?
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The drive was changed because we discovered the motor was undersized. We put in a bigger motor, and then needed to put in a bigger drive to match. It was a good upgrade as we got rid of an old analog drive and replaced with a digital DCS500.
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Wasn’t there like an old half-midstation there (like on Screamin’ Eagle at Grouse)?
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Are there any pictures of this midstation?
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There was a mid station. It was towers 16 and 17. One was a support and one was a hold down. The hold down was able to be lowered with hydraulics run from a snowcat. The idea was on avalanche control days you could run the lift as a fixed grip to that point, then open it to the top once A/C was complete. It turned out to be a major PITA to to use so I think the whole concept was dropped pretty quickly.
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What terminals are these? CLD 260?
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Interesting fact is that this lift is named after the 7th Heaven chairlift at Stevens Pass! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijGkQHVznno
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Old 7th Heaven T-Bar:
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Why was this lift only around for a year?
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The owners got a capital infusion: https://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/cover-stories/building-a-mountain-3159396
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Does Vail have any plans to replace this lift soon? It’s pretty old and year-round so I assume it’s starting to show its age.
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I agree it could use an upgrade. In addition to its age, it often gets long lines, so a six (or maybe eight?) pack would be warranted. Whistler’s last master plan was updated in 2013 and it did not have 7th Heaven being upgraded. However, the plan was pre-Vail, and Vail has not followed the plan with some decisions (Blackcomb Gondola) and followed the plan for others (Catskinner and Emerald upgrades), so perhaps they will deviate once again for this.
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What kind of terminal is this?
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It looks like any other CLD-260.
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I can’t help but notice how the Blackcomb CLD-260s have/had longer hanger arms on their chairs compared to other CLD-260s of this vintage.
By contrast:
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Is there a reason why the hanger arms are longer?
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This is kind of a weird question, but were there any CLD-260s built with gondola cabins?
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Looks gondola
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*Loon
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Loons gondola was an MGD-210
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As well as the old Horse Hill express at Mt. Buller (was built as a chondola, now it operates as a chairlift under the name Northside)
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Access from the village? Maybe visit these lifts in person before writing about it. Also, ever heard of an SSL certificate?
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Excuse you? How do you think he took these photos you inconsiderate twat. Peter works his ass off to take beautiful pictures of lifts across the North American continent, with knowledgable and accurately informative captions, that thousands of that thousands of members of ski community enjoy, and are appreciative of. Unlike you, who puts more effort into a username that a 12 year old xbox player would be embarrassed to write as his username. Increasing amounts of pretentious, entitled, and negative customers like you at Whistler/Blackomb are the reason I avoid that resort nowadays and go Mt Baker, Revelstoke, and Crystal mountain whenever i’m out West, where the communities are far more enthusiastic about the sport, welcoming, and skilled. You sir, have taken the crown as the rudest most prickish person ive ever seen on the otherwise incredibly positive and knowledgable Liftblog community.
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I’ll add that his caption about the 3 HSQs was perfectly accurate. Blackcomb Glacier skiing was accessed by taking Wizard, then Solar Coaster, then taking a shuttle bus to this lift (7th Heaven). The same works in the winter but you can ski rather than bus.
And about the SSL certificate… never had an issue on this site. Works just fine for me now, as always.
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Any pictures of the bus, that sounds cool
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Nothing particularly cool about the buses. School buses essentially that ran on Express way between the top of Solar and the bottom of 7th. The original ones came from the ’88 Calgary Olympics and were replaced with new Mercedes buses about 15 years ago. As there is no longer access from the top of 7th into the glacier in the summer, they are no longer used.
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here is a photo of the buses:
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This lift has had a demand overcapacity problem ever since Blackcomb gondola was installed. Needs to be replaced with a 6 pack hs.
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I want this lift replaced by a high speed 6 with bubbles.
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It will never, ever have bubbles.
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Kinda of a miracle/travesty they have not replaced this with a 6 pack yet. Miracle for me, because i got to wide a CLD-260 when i visited last year, which i have always wanted to do, but a travesty for everyone else with how long the lines always get on it.
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Perhaps the ridge that it loads on cannot handle 3600 pph?
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they want to build a tram as well from the rondesvous up here. Perhaps this will be after the villg gondy. I think vail is going to have to invest yearly at whistler blackcomb.
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ich habe noch nie so veraltetes liftmaterial wie in Whistler gesehen, die Gondeln und Sessellifte bleiben andauernd stehen und haben eine viel zu niedrige Kapazität und sie sind ohne wetterhauben, die Passagiere sind dem schlechten Wetter permanent ausgesetzt, sorry sowas gibt’s in den Alpen nicht. Da werden spätestens alle 15 Jahre die Liftanlagen ausgetauscht
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“I have never seen such outdated lift equipment as in Whistler, the gondolas and chairlifts are constantly stopped and have far too low a capacity and they are without weather hoods, the passengers are constantly exposed to bad weather, sorry, there is no such thing in the Alps. The lift systems are replaced every 15 years at the latest”
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I’m not sure Sibylle skis in Europe a lot. There are many nice new lifts, but also lots that are older.
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If you think whistler blackcombs lift system is outdated then you should see the rest of North America
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Thanks ffor the answer, so I think I will save my money, and stay 2025 in the Alpen, because I want to see aspen or vail in 2025
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You would have an aneurysm if you saw smugglers notch or afton alps
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For the caption in the last photo, did you mean Whistler mountain?
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It is the view form Whistler Mountain.
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The caption says Blackcomb mountain.
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