1) Yes
2) I see the argument for an upgrade in capacity here, not sure if a gondola is necessary though
3) I would honestly replace Lower BC and Bachelor Gulch with a 2 stage gondola and make the angle/mid station basically where the Ritz is. Possibly even attach it to the Riverfront Gondola. That way Mamie’s can theoretically have dinners when the slopes are closed and the people staying at the Ritz can have easier access to Avon after skiing.
4) If you mean having Elkhorn start where Lower BC starts, that would not make sense because Elkhorn needs to start where it does as trails and there and there are no other lift options. Agree is should go detachable though and maybe extend it to top of Strawberry Park.
5) Yes
6) I would replace it with a gondola and have it end at the top of Bachelor Gulch.
The Bachelor Gulch Express lift has trails of its own and is used for a fair amount of lapping, so a gondola isn’t really possible. Even so, a two stage gondola with a midstation at the Ritz would be impossible because of all the houses in the way.
This is not true. There was (and still is) a lift line available if they ever decided to replace lower/upper BC express with a two stage gondola. You can see where the mid-station was originally planned to be in the little indentation off Daybreak Ridge Rd (its now a car drop off spot) between the Ritz Carlton Bachelor Gulch and Snowcloud lodge.
If making Elkhorn into a high speed quad, I would have to build a ski bridge across the road to eliminate the need to have loading areas on each side. Park City had a similar issue with the Town lift where it originally had two loading areas separated by a road, with the second one getting eliminated with the construction of the Town Bridge in 2000.
I would guess it’s maintenance. You would have to train them to do work on Leitner Poma lifts. That’s probably why Breck hasn’t installed Doppelmayr since the T-Bar. I’m my opinion, Doppelmayr makes higher quality lifts then Leitner Poma and I think they are trying to keep a luxury resort feel.
Each resort has different preferences. Breck is a Leitner-Poma loyal resort, Beaver Creek is a Doppelmayr loyal area, and Vail proper has gone back and forth between Doppelmayr and Leitner-Poma with their newest lifts.
Nothing to do with maintenance, unless you’re talking commonality of parts. I’ve worked on six manufacturers in my career, and there’s no specialised training that would prevent a mechanic from working on a specific manufacturer. There would be a familiarisation period, of course. As far as luxurious goes, you should ride the new Flyer at Copper. I’d argue that it’s as smooth and comfortable as any lift out there.
There’s parking garages in the Beaver Creek Village, with escalators up to the Centennial Express. Or you can park in Avon, and ride the Riverfront Gondola over to the Lower Beaver Creek Mountain Express.
Elk Lot or Bear Lot, you’ll have to pay to park there but it isn’t as expensive as parking at the base garage. Elk lot is a short shuttle ride to the base, Bear Lot will shuttle you to Chair 15. 3rd option is Arrowhead, but that lot fills up quickly.
Shouldn’t Haymeadow express be called Buckaroo Express?
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The name changed this summer.
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Should you mention that in the notes, maybe?
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I think Beaver Creek needs to do the following upgrades:
1. Do the McCoy Park Expansion (same as what is planned for 2020)
2. Replace Strawberry Park Express with 8 person gondola (capacity of 3200/hour)
3. Replace Upper and Lower BC Mtn. lifts with 8 person gondola with mid point where the two lifts meet (Capacity of 2500/hour)
4. Replace Elkhorn with High Speed quad from Lower BC Mtn Express. Do a similar mid station like Orange Bubble Express in Park City. (Same Capacity)
5. Replace Highlands Lift with new fixed grip quad (Capacity of 1800/hour)
6. Replace Arrow Bahn with 6 chair (Capacity of 2500/hour)
Please let me know your thoughts on this.
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1) Yes
2) I see the argument for an upgrade in capacity here, not sure if a gondola is necessary though
3) I would honestly replace Lower BC and Bachelor Gulch with a 2 stage gondola and make the angle/mid station basically where the Ritz is. Possibly even attach it to the Riverfront Gondola. That way Mamie’s can theoretically have dinners when the slopes are closed and the people staying at the Ritz can have easier access to Avon after skiing.
4) If you mean having Elkhorn start where Lower BC starts, that would not make sense because Elkhorn needs to start where it does as trails and there and there are no other lift options. Agree is should go detachable though and maybe extend it to top of Strawberry Park.
5) Yes
6) I would replace it with a gondola and have it end at the top of Bachelor Gulch.
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The Bachelor Gulch Express lift has trails of its own and is used for a fair amount of lapping, so a gondola isn’t really possible. Even so, a two stage gondola with a midstation at the Ritz would be impossible because of all the houses in the way.
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This is not true. There was (and still is) a lift line available if they ever decided to replace lower/upper BC express with a two stage gondola. You can see where the mid-station was originally planned to be in the little indentation off Daybreak Ridge Rd (its now a car drop off spot) between the Ritz Carlton Bachelor Gulch and Snowcloud lodge.
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I think at most, I could see the Strawberry Park Express becoming a chondola much like the Centennial Express lift.
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If making Elkhorn into a high speed quad, I would have to build a ski bridge across the road to eliminate the need to have loading areas on each side. Park City had a similar issue with the Town lift where it originally had two loading areas separated by a road, with the second one getting eliminated with the construction of the Town Bridge in 2000.
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McCoy Park is going through, with a high speed quad for lapping and a fixed grip quad for egress.
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Why are there no Leitner-Poma lifts at beaver creek?
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I would guess it’s maintenance. You would have to train them to do work on Leitner Poma lifts. That’s probably why Breck hasn’t installed Doppelmayr since the T-Bar. I’m my opinion, Doppelmayr makes higher quality lifts then Leitner Poma and I think they are trying to keep a luxury resort feel.
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Each resort has different preferences. Breck is a Leitner-Poma loyal resort, Beaver Creek is a Doppelmayr loyal area, and Vail proper has gone back and forth between Doppelmayr and Leitner-Poma with their newest lifts.
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Nothing to do with maintenance, unless you’re talking commonality of parts. I’ve worked on six manufacturers in my career, and there’s no specialised training that would prevent a mechanic from working on a specific manufacturer. There would be a familiarisation period, of course. As far as luxurious goes, you should ride the new Flyer at Copper. I’d argue that it’s as smooth and comfortable as any lift out there.
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Where does one park at BC? The gooooogle map isn’t very forthcoming.
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There’s parking garages in the Beaver Creek Village, with escalators up to the Centennial Express. Or you can park in Avon, and ride the Riverfront Gondola over to the Lower Beaver Creek Mountain Express.
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Garages? What sorta bougie place is this?
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Beaver Creek and Deer Valley are luxury first, skiing second. They’re in a league of their own.
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Elk Lot or Bear Lot, you’ll have to pay to park there but it isn’t as expensive as parking at the base garage. Elk lot is a short shuttle ride to the base, Bear Lot will shuttle you to Chair 15. 3rd option is Arrowhead, but that lot fills up quickly.
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Bachelor and Cinch have their verts mixed up in the table (and perhaps their other metrics as well, not sure)
Thanks for the stats otherwise!
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Does anyone know why there was never a chair 3 built?
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Peter, can you add the chair numbers to the spreadsheet please? Thanks
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