Inside the bottom terminal.Arrival side of the top station.VonRoll hanger and grip.Leaving the town of Kellogg.Headed over the town of Wardner.Depression towers in someone’s driveway.Looking back.About halfway.The final rise to Silver Mountain.Midway looking back.Upper lift line.Tower 34.Top station.Tower 42.Bottom terminal from the outside.Looking up from the parking lot.
I have never been to Silver Mountain before until earlier this summer! I rode the Gondola and Chair 3 since they were both open for sightseeing and for mountain bikers to use.
Was really surprised to see a MASSIVE counterweight, as well as (I think) three bullwheels in the bottom terminal of the gondola. Does anyone know what the purpose of the multiple bullwheels are for this monocable gondola?
I was also surprised to see counterweights on the gondola and every other Von Roll lift at Silver Mountain, considering they’re all from 1990. I figured, with rare exceptions, counterweight tensioning had already been replaced by hydraulic tensioning at that point, since I can think of many lifts older than the Silver Mountain Von Rolls, detachable and fixed grip, that have hydraulic tensioning. I guess Von Roll was a little behind in some ways.
There are three bull wheels (might technically only be two, with one having two grooves for the haul rope) to help with tensioning.The counterweight pulls on the downhill bull wheel, while the uphill one stays in place. I believe it’s to shorten the amount of travel needed to tension that long of a lift. Otherwise you’d need a much longer station, and a much larger hole for that counterweight.
Think you’re right abut that one. I think it’s three bullwheels as well, with the two on the carriage being independently mounted on the same shaft. I haven’t ridden that lift since well before I became a mechanic, and I’d be very interested to get a tour.
I too agree with PBROPETECH, I think the fixed bullwheel also acts as a pto, supplying the mechanical power to the conveyor equipment via numerous drive shafts.
Having worked on this lift as my previous mtn and silver are now jointly owned, how it works is to completely shorten the tension carriage. It’s two bullwheels at the bottom, the rope comes in off the heavy side & goes around the upper groove of the double groove bullwheel (which is also the moving tension bullwheel), goes back to the upper stationary bullwheel (which is mounted at an angle if you look closely at the pictures of it) back through the lower groove of the double groove, and back up the line. It greatly shortens the amount of tension carriage that is needed compared to a standard single return bullwheel setup, there’s a space constraint at the bottom where the property of a school goes right up to the back of the return terminal, I’d imagine that was part of the reason for the short carriage (the fact that this lift is a complete and utter behemoth probably adds to it as well) hopefully this helps.
Various manufacturers have built lifts (usually gondola actually) with counterweights well into the 2000s when they were especially long and/or had lots of breakovers. That might be the case here.
I don’t know about all Dopplemayer 3S gondolas but I am pretty sure some of them have counterweights, I think it depends on the profile. The 3S at Whistler is hydraulically tensioned I believe but I think in Europe there are many others with counterweights. Not only this but the Funitel at Squaw Valley is counterweight tensioned based off of the construction notes.
Correct. Riblet only made 2 gondolas. The Spokane one that Peter mentioned, and the Mount Rushmore one you mentioned. Here’s the link to it. It has since been modified into a triple chair. https://liftblog.com/chairlift-rushmore-tramway-adventures-sd/
Double VR-104s, I believe. This may be the only lift in the US with them; Von Roll never made much headway over here before they were bought by Doppelmayr. They’re an interesting grip with a lot of moving parts and I’ve never quite understood how they operate. Very different from any of the Pomas and Doppelmayrs I’ve worked on.
Also, silver likes to advertise this gondola as a super fun experience. But honestly, I don’t love it. Especially this year, I had season passes, and the lines on this thing earlier in the morning at like 7-8 just got ridiculous. Also, this thing is showing it’s age. They always rattle like crazy, it doesn’t go very fast a lot of the time, and it’s just annoying. They have a road going up to the mid station at chair 4, and I have thought that they should open it up for season pass holders to drive up because the line is crazy. Another thing to note, this is like the only place on the mountain that has lines. Sometimes chair 3 can, but that’s only during busy days. The main accesses chairlift, chair 2, rarely has lines, and because it goes fast and he relatively close spacing, it goes fast. Anyways, this gondola is cool but annoying.
That is what happens when access to the entire mountain is dependent on a 30-year-old, 1600 person per hour gondola. It really is due for a replacement, but it will absolutely be expensive. A capacity around ~2400 would be good, and the line speed should be boosted to 1200 given the length. For a project that will cost north of $10 million, it will take a few years of savings for the owners, as they are flush with cash.
It’s unlikely we see a full replacement anytime soon, but there was a proposal in the early 2000s to do a second portal to the east with either another gondola or a HSQ up to the bottom of Chair 2.
The road you refer to was how you would access the former Jackass (you read that right) ski area. What is now chair 4 was the sole lift at Jackass. The original day lodge was a secondary snack shop when I skied here in the 90s. I don’t know if it’s still there.
Uhhh… Source on the name? According to the skimap.org page for Silver mountain it was originally called “Silverhorn” before the gondola and the expansion around 1990…
Chase, the name originates from a donkey. Back at the time, it wasn’t an insult or curse word or anything, so there’s not really anything to be apologetic about
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“Depression towers in someone’s driveway.”
Thanks for the 5 seconds of cracking up, man.
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How did they even get permission for that?
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Property purchase or a reoccuring fee established by the owner of that property.
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Easement. Property rights are like a bundle of sticks. You can keep them all, sell them all, or just sell some of them.
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Are these cabins Von-Roll? They look kinda like the ones on Excalibur and Steamboat.
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They are early CWA Omegas. Doppelmayr didn’t buy CWA until 2002.
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Had a fun time first time on a gondola
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Was everything on the tower except the tube upgraded?
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Is this the longest single stage mono-cable gondola/chairlift in the world?
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I have never been to Silver Mountain before until earlier this summer! I rode the Gondola and Chair 3 since they were both open for sightseeing and for mountain bikers to use.
Was really surprised to see a MASSIVE counterweight, as well as (I think) three bullwheels in the bottom terminal of the gondola. Does anyone know what the purpose of the multiple bullwheels are for this monocable gondola?
I was also surprised to see counterweights on the gondola and every other Von Roll lift at Silver Mountain, considering they’re all from 1990. I figured, with rare exceptions, counterweight tensioning had already been replaced by hydraulic tensioning at that point, since I can think of many lifts older than the Silver Mountain Von Rolls, detachable and fixed grip, that have hydraulic tensioning. I guess Von Roll was a little behind in some ways.
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There are three bull wheels (might technically only be two, with one having two grooves for the haul rope) to help with tensioning.The counterweight pulls on the downhill bull wheel, while the uphill one stays in place. I believe it’s to shorten the amount of travel needed to tension that long of a lift. Otherwise you’d need a much longer station, and a much larger hole for that counterweight.
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Think you’re right abut that one. I think it’s three bullwheels as well, with the two on the carriage being independently mounted on the same shaft. I haven’t ridden that lift since well before I became a mechanic, and I’d be very interested to get a tour.
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I too agree with PBROPETECH, I think the fixed bullwheel also acts as a pto, supplying the mechanical power to the conveyor equipment via numerous drive shafts.
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Having worked on this lift as my previous mtn and silver are now jointly owned, how it works is to completely shorten the tension carriage. It’s two bullwheels at the bottom, the rope comes in off the heavy side & goes around the upper groove of the double groove bullwheel (which is also the moving tension bullwheel), goes back to the upper stationary bullwheel (which is mounted at an angle if you look closely at the pictures of it) back through the lower groove of the double groove, and back up the line. It greatly shortens the amount of tension carriage that is needed compared to a standard single return bullwheel setup, there’s a space constraint at the bottom where the property of a school goes right up to the back of the return terminal, I’d imagine that was part of the reason for the short carriage (the fact that this lift is a complete and utter behemoth probably adds to it as well) hopefully this helps.
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Various manufacturers have built lifts (usually gondola actually) with counterweights well into the 2000s when they were especially long and/or had lots of breakovers. That might be the case here.
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I don’t know about all Dopplemayer 3S gondolas but I am pretty sure some of them have counterweights, I think it depends on the profile. The 3S at Whistler is hydraulically tensioned I believe but I think in Europe there are many others with counterweights. Not only this but the Funitel at Squaw Valley is counterweight tensioned based off of the construction notes.
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Did Riblet ever make a gondola?
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Yes in its hometown of Spokane.
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If they had detachable technology, then why didn’t they make a detachable chairlift?
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It was pulse, not detachable. They did have detachable technology.
https://skytraclifts.com/bill-bretts-view-from-the-tower/
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Wasn’t there one near Mt. Rushmore?
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Correct. Riblet only made 2 gondolas. The Spokane one that Peter mentioned, and the Mount Rushmore one you mentioned. Here’s the link to it. It has since been modified into a triple chair. https://liftblog.com/chairlift-rushmore-tramway-adventures-sd/
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What types of grips are these?
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Double VR-104s, I believe. This may be the only lift in the US with them; Von Roll never made much headway over here before they were bought by Doppelmayr. They’re an interesting grip with a lot of moving parts and I’ve never quite understood how they operate. Very different from any of the Pomas and Doppelmayrs I’ve worked on.
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Also, silver likes to advertise this gondola as a super fun experience. But honestly, I don’t love it. Especially this year, I had season passes, and the lines on this thing earlier in the morning at like 7-8 just got ridiculous. Also, this thing is showing it’s age. They always rattle like crazy, it doesn’t go very fast a lot of the time, and it’s just annoying. They have a road going up to the mid station at chair 4, and I have thought that they should open it up for season pass holders to drive up because the line is crazy. Another thing to note, this is like the only place on the mountain that has lines. Sometimes chair 3 can, but that’s only during busy days. The main accesses chairlift, chair 2, rarely has lines, and because it goes fast and he relatively close spacing, it goes fast. Anyways, this gondola is cool but annoying.
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That is what happens when access to the entire mountain is dependent on a 30-year-old, 1600 person per hour gondola. It really is due for a replacement, but it will absolutely be expensive. A capacity around ~2400 would be good, and the line speed should be boosted to 1200 given the length. For a project that will cost north of $10 million, it will take a few years of savings for the owners, as they are flush with cash.
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It’s unlikely we see a full replacement anytime soon, but there was a proposal in the early 2000s to do a second portal to the east with either another gondola or a HSQ up to the bottom of Chair 2.
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The road you refer to was how you would access the former Jackass (you read that right) ski area. What is now chair 4 was the sole lift at Jackass. The original day lodge was a secondary snack shop when I skied here in the 90s. I don’t know if it’s still there.
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Uhhh… Source on the name? According to the skimap.org page for Silver mountain it was originally called “Silverhorn” before the gondola and the expansion around 1990…
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Check the Wikipedia page. It has a bunch of citations at the bottom of the page.
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https://silvermt.com/about/history
They’re pretty unapologetic about their past.
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https://www.silvermt.com/index.php/about/history
Scroll down to “Founding” and it’s in the first sentence
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Chase, the name originates from a donkey. Back at the time, it wasn’t an insult or curse word or anything, so there’s not really anything to be apologetic about
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The Jackass lodge was demolished in the early 2000s. It featured prominently in a really bad horror movie called “Shredder” before it was demolished.
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How would a resort be able to gt away with a lodge name called “Jackass”
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flyball- see ShangriGarrett and Chase’s comments above. Consider the time frame as well. It’s not exactly current-day.
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@flyball See above comments. Not a swear, but a donkey.
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