Keystone, CO

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26 thoughts on “Keystone, CO

  1. Ryan July 14, 2017 / 10:10 pm

    I was reminded by a post over on SLF that prior to the Von Roll River Run Gondola, there was also a Yan River Run Gondola. Not sure when it was installed though.

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    • Michael July 15, 2017 / 8:03 am

      It’s shown above as “Skyway…Gondola 6…1984-1986”

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      • Donald Reif May 30, 2019 / 2:01 pm

        The Von Roll gondola reused the Yan gondola’s terminal buildings.

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  2. Jonathan December 23, 2017 / 10:20 am

    What lift was in place before the Ruby, and after Teller? Teller got removed in 1990, and Ruby got installed in 2000. If you find out, can you tell me who built it and why it was removed

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  3. Collin December 23, 2017 / 1:54 pm

    I think that’s just a mistake in the list. Teller had the accident in 1985 and then was rebuilt by Yan for free and renamed Ruby.

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  4. Jonathan January 4, 2018 / 7:55 pm

    Is the A-51 lift (Packsaddle) slowly getting upgraded?

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    • Josh January 17, 2018 / 11:47 am

      Yes, Pack 2 had some major mods installed this past summer. Myself and my co-workers installed a doppelmayer “D” style service brake and also repurposed the old doppelmayer brake cabinet off of old montezuma chair. No more manually pumping up the bull wheel and roll back brakes! Our electrical team also installed an all new drive and programming.

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  5. jcpierce05 February 9, 2019 / 5:21 pm

    I was wondering if Keystone would:

    1. Replace Outback Express to a 6 chair,

    2. Move the Outback to Wayback to replace it. Then the Outback would go under upgrades similar to the Shedhorn 4 at Big Sky.

    3. Take the Wayback Quad and move it to the Independence lift with a Doppelmayr Alpen-Star motor room.

    4. Upgrade Peru to a 6/8 chondola

    5. Move Peru to Brugeman Bowl Express with upgrades like Shedhorn 4.

    6. Add a 2 chair to the top of North and South Bowls.

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    • Donald M. Reif February 25, 2019 / 1:15 am

      1. They added additional capacity to the Outback Express lift in 2014 by taking chairs from the Peru Express and Montezuma Express.

      2. Reusing infrastructure would be practical, but again, I don’t think the Outback Express needs a six pack line.

      3. —-

      4. I’m pretty sure that the master plan calls for Argentine to get upgraded to a high speed quad, with a midstation turn about halfway up the lift line, before terminating at the top of Paymaster.

      5. I think a brand-new lift would suffice.

      6. The master plan calls for a platter to potentially replace the Outback cat shuttle.

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  6. Donald Reif August 14, 2019 / 8:54 pm

    Here’s some old photos of the Skyway Gondola, including a few showing the Montezuma Express and Summit Express lifts’ pre-detachable ancestors: https://www.remontees-mecaniques.net/bdd/reportage-tcd6-river-run-1-yan-lift-engineering-5782.html

    As the photos here show, the Von Roll gondola reused the Yan terminal buildings.

    Montezuma was a Riblet double with a Yan drive, while Erickson was a Yan triple that basically covered what is now the catch area covered by the River Run Gondola’s midstation, and its pod of trails can also be lapped via the Summit Express. You can tell that used to be where a lift began because of how Jacques St. James, Swandyke, Whipsaw and Santa Fe all converge there.

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    • powderforever45 September 26, 2019 / 8:43 pm

      What was the other yan cable car? Does the QMC funitel count.

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  7. Donald Reif September 13, 2019 / 9:40 am

    The chair count numbers on the Peru Express, Outback Express and original Montezuma Express lift on this spreadsheet are incorrect. Those are the numbers of chairs those three lifts had prior to 2013. In 2013, a total of 17 chairs from the Montezuma Express and 7 from the Peru Express were removed, ostensibly to increase chair spacing just slightly on those lifts to reduce misloads. The following year, those 24 chairs were added to the Outback Express to increase that lift’s uphill capacity from 2,400 or so pph to 2,600 pph. So the Peru Express currently has 135 chairs, the Montezuma Express had 151 chairs at the time of its removal, and the Outback Express currently has 124 chairs.

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  8. Cameron Halmrast January 13, 2020 / 11:44 pm

    To be honest and fair, mountain safety sometimes is a complete joke. Yes, I’ve had my run ins with them in the past for going too fast, but at the same time, they were very courteous and told me where to go on the mountain to ski fast and not be yelled at. I appreciated our conversation, but I have had others that didn’t even know how to ski yell at me for skiing 20 mph in a slow zone at Big White. In regards to the topic about Buckhouse, there was just bad communication between mountain safety, especially in his video showing mountain safety yelling at a beginner snowboarder “Hey, snowboarder, get over here.”

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    • Donald Reif January 15, 2020 / 12:31 pm

      I feel like peoples’ boycott threats on the video are quite empty. Like, in a “I know you’re going to conveniently every reason you said you were boycotting the resort the next time there’s a major snowfall” kind of way.

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  9. Mountaineer May 6, 2020 / 8:30 am

    According to old skimaps, packsaddle was built in 1974 (https://skimap.org/data/519/7/1269214990.jpg) and shortened in 1976 when go devil was built (https://skimap.org/data/519/7/1213161559.jpg). Go devil was later renamed to packsaddle I. Packsaddle became packsaddle II and A-51 years later (https://skimap.org/data/519/7/1213161617.jpg). Is that correct? And the Yan gondola was called river run first (https://skimap.org/data/519/7/1213161617.jpg) before it was renamed to skyway – probably when it was rebuilt by Von Roll (https://skimap.org/data/519/7/1231125550.jpg)?

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    • Tyler August 9, 2020 / 6:32 pm

      On the 1976 map, we have a “Saint John” lift and in later years it was “Saints John” – anyone know the story there? A religious reference or a bathroom reference?

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      • Michael August 9, 2020 / 8:59 pm

        The lift and trail names at Keystone originated from the mining heritage in the area. Saints John was a nearby mine. No religion, no bathrooms😉👍

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  10. Michael May 6, 2020 / 3:38 pm

    That is correct. My recollection is they changed the name from Go Devil to Packsaddle I because the name was too intimidating. People thought that the whole lift would be like the last pitch of Go Devil which is steep with big bumps.

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  11. Henry T August 8, 2020 / 8:44 pm

    What was the old Ida Belle lift for?

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    • Donald Reif August 9, 2020 / 8:29 am

      Its purpose seems to have been to lap Paymaster, Silver Spoon, and Gassy Thompson, a role that rendered it rather redundant once the Montezuma Express lift was built.

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      • Henry T August 9, 2020 / 9:05 am

        Was that lift ever relocated after it was removed or was it scrapped? If it was relocated where is it now?

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      • pbropetech August 10, 2020 / 12:17 pm

        Keystone has really streamlined their fleet in the last 25 years. I count five lifts removed and only one replaced (sort of; Summit and Erickson aren’t exactly in the same alignment). Most of the removals make sense but lapping the old Erickson pod now requires dropping onto the most congested run in Summit County to get back to a lift. Not my favourite. Removing Ida Belle seemed to have increased traffic on Montezuma but I haven’t skied there since the sixpack was put in so that may have improved.

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        • Donald Reif August 10, 2020 / 12:53 pm

          The least that could’ve been done when the Summit Express was built would be to build an alternate trail from where the Erickson pod trails merge to get down to it that bypasses the River Run trail.

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    • Randy August 10, 2020 / 11:25 am

      HooDoo trail was used for NASTAR/ Racing so those skiers would always ride Ida.

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  12. Nathan August 23, 2020 / 12:55 pm

    Anyone know why Keystone replaced two brand new Riblet lifts in the first 10 years of the ski areas existence? The Argentine replacement was like for like (double) after only 7 years. Between the Yan gondola, Teller incidents and replacing 2 nearly new Riblets, it’s surprising Keystone didn’t go out of business.

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