Steamboat, CO

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  1. powderforever45 October 17, 2019 / 6:57 am

    On this site there are many great pictures of lifts including the bell gondola, the Sunshine Triple, Elkhead Quad, Christe II, Christe III before it got new chairs,Building one of the original Pomas, and one of the Miner Denver’s with its original chairs. http://www.coloradoskihistory.com/areahistory/steamboat.html

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  2. powderforever45 November 3, 2019 / 8:03 pm

    Hey Peter,
    Just an edit but you said in removed lifts the bell gondola was a four person one. It was actually a 6 person gondola. As said by the guy in the video you posted on this weeks news roundup and based on the video three people were sitting on each side of the gondola.

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  3. Donald Reif December 22, 2019 / 9:55 pm

    Technically, the Storm Peak triple was never removed in 1992. It was simply shortened by 2,161 feet and renamed Four Points.

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  4. Myles Svec August 25, 2020 / 1:41 pm

    Would clearing part of the old Arrowhead glade into a groomed black be a good idea? It could improve traffic flow at the end of the day for high intermediate/advanced skiers as another access point to the base of thunderhead such as vagabond. Or would this terrain not be suitable to turn into a groomed ski run or would be too steep? This could happen when they upgrade Thunderhead to a Six Pack.

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    • argothor April 27, 2021 / 11:41 am

      Thinning the trees so that it is a glade run would be better than clearing it into a groomed run. But when they put in the second phase of the Wild Blue Gondola it is going to go pretty much right up a good portion of where the old Arrowhead lift, and Glades where, which will likely mean that some clearing will happen anyway.

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      • Myles Svec April 27, 2021 / 11:48 am

        I think that terrain would be too low for a glade anyway. That is why I suggested a groomed run there.

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    • argothor December 29, 2021 / 10:27 pm

      There is now a swath of cleared trees running from near the junction of Lower Concentration and Mother Nature to Vagabond where the second phase of the Wild Blue Gondola will be going.

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      • argothor February 15, 2022 / 9:51 pm

        That swath of cleared trees has a name. It is the Distraction run.

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  5. Henry T December 2, 2020 / 7:57 am

    Did any of the previous yan doubles or triples sell?

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    • Myles Svec December 2, 2020 / 8:05 am

      The old Elkhead went to China Peak I’m pretty sure. Don’t know about the others though.

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      • Donald Reif December 2, 2020 / 9:31 am

        Short Cut at Park City was formerly the Arrowhead here.

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        • Myles Svec March 5, 2021 / 8:15 pm

          Also the Elkhead double went to Discovery at Winter Park.

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      • Myles Svec March 22, 2021 / 1:32 pm

        The Cosmos double went to Barnstormer at Coffee Mill, Minnesota.

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  6. Myles Svec December 11, 2020 / 10:08 am

    my Storm King / Morning side lift idea

    Yellow lines are potential ski runs

    Pink areas are potential tree thinning

    Purple lines are potential future lifts

    1. Morning side would become a 4,500 ft HSQ in a new alignment that goes farther down then existing triple. Morning side triple would be removed. Top terminal would be in the same place.

    2. Storm king lift would be a 3,800 ft long triple or HSQ potentially reusing Morning side but adding new towers and a new haul rope. Would run from bottom of new Morning side lift to top of a new peak. There would also be some hike to terrain.

    Both lifts would serve blue/black/double black terrain.

    The total area would be 678 acres for a SUP boundary extension.

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    • argothor April 27, 2021 / 11:53 am

      Myles I like your idea, but increasing the SUP boundary would require the USFS to agree, and they haven’t been all that keen on increasing ski area boundaries. They do, but grudgingly.

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      • Myles Svec April 27, 2021 / 12:04 pm

        I have heard some locals talk about extending Morningside down farther into holy bowl like I showed on SUP. It would require a boundary extension but if it was for just the morningside area and not the second lift I planned out I think it wouldn’t be as big of a hassle to do.

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        • argothor April 27, 2021 / 1:16 pm

          It looks like the current SUP boundary is far enough down the bowl that if Steamboat wanted to relocate the bottom of the Morningside lift by moving it about 0.15 miles further downhill they could do so without moving the SUP boundary.

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    • argothor December 29, 2021 / 11:35 pm

      Myles, if this idea was to be implemented I’d like to see a third lift that starts were the bottom of new Morningside and Storm King lifts are up to the top of the proposed Sunshine II lift is. This would help with egress out of the Morningside area.

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    • argothor January 1, 2022 / 7:47 pm

      Myles, while we are dreaming about increasing the Morningside area, another additional lift that would be nice would be one that comes off of the top of Mt. Werner and head east to the kind of sock shaped clear area. That would provide runs off of Werner to the east and off of your Storm King lift to the north. Plus it would offer an alternative way to get to runs such as North St. Pats and East Face

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      • Myles Svec January 1, 2022 / 9:26 pm

        You would have to hike to access your proposed chairlift so you would need an egress lift or a realigned morning side to access it. A realigned morning side to the top of mount Werner wouldn’t work because the corridor run is too narrow to support the amount of skiers coming from a detach morning side and there would be too many beginners going on the double blacks and into cliff areas such as on No names, Pats, and Gate D.

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        • argothor January 1, 2022 / 9:41 pm

          No you wouldn’t. Let’s say you take Biscuits into the Morningside area, you ski down to the Storm King lift. You take that up, and then you go off the north side of that rise to the bottom of the Mt. Werner lift. No hiking necesary.

          This being predicated on the Morningside and Storm King lifts being just as you describe in your original post.

          But this is all just rhetorical, this lift will never get built, and likely your Storm King lift will never get built either.

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  7. Myles Svec December 20, 2020 / 7:06 pm

    Here is a map of future lifts at steamboat I made

    Also I think that Wild Blue should be a 10 person D Line gondola instead of a 8 person gondola.

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    • Roger Dellinger December 29, 2021 / 11:59 pm

      I think you have the dogleg of the Wild Blue Gondola in the wrong location. It will be on the high ground the other side of the Giggle Gulch run from the bottom of the Bashor lift. If memory serves me correctly there is some sort of maintenance building there now. This lines up with the path of cleared trees from just down hill from the junction of Mother Nature and Lower Concentration up to near where the catwalk that comes over from Oops meets up with Vagabond that I noticed while skiing Steamboat over the Christmas holiday weekend.

      Not sure I like the idea of the upper portion of Wild Blue going over Closets. Closets is one of my favorite runs, and once they cut a path through those trees it is going to change the character of Closets for the worse.

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      • Myles Svec December 30, 2021 / 8:18 am

        According to the master plan, the gondola looks like it will cut through some of the top of closets.

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  8. Myles Svec December 24, 2020 / 3:46 pm

    Does anyone know where Steamboat would expand if Sunshine II and Pioneer aren’t enough? There is a lot of area under Sunshine and Sundown and to the right of Valley View but that is winter elk habitat so that probably wouldn’t fly.

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    • Donald Reif December 24, 2020 / 6:33 pm

      Even if that was available for expansion, you’d need to find out where to run the lifts.

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    • skitheeast December 24, 2020 / 10:39 pm

      I think there is a decent amount of underutilized terrain at Steamboat, and a couple of infill lifts would really help spread people out like an expansion would. Even minor additions, like a lift from the base of Morningside to Sunshine Peak or a lift from the base of Sundown to Rendezvous Lodge would make lapping some terrain a lot easier and help fully develop their existing footprint.

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      • Donald Reif December 25, 2020 / 1:07 pm

        Put a lift running from the bottom of Sundown up to Rendezvous Saddle (running somewhere between Rolex and Lower High Noon) and you’d definitely have a small pod of five trails there. It would need to be a high speed quad to encourage people to use it instead of the Sundown Express.

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  9. Myles Svec December 25, 2020 / 9:54 pm

    My idea for a Sundown infill lift

    It would be called beaver creek express after the nearby beaver creek.

    It would be a 1,800 pph high speed quad.

    It would run from base of Sundown to Rendezvous lodge.

    The yellow lines are potential new trails.

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    • argothor April 26, 2021 / 6:59 pm

      Not a bad idea, but put the bottom of the lift close to the bottom of the Elkhead lift. Why? I like skiing the trees between Rolex and Lower High Noon, and putting a lift over those trees would ruin them. Run the lift up Rolex instead.

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      • Mike B April 27, 2021 / 10:13 am

        Love the idea for this lift, as it would take pressure off of Sundown for traffic headed to Sunshine while also creating a nice, 900′ vertical, north facing pod that would feature a mix of terrain for all abilities and be great for lapping. But ultimately it feels like a luxury given all of the other priorities in the plan, so I’ll be surprised if we ever see this.

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    • beyogaandrew February 15, 2022 / 6:45 pm

      This one would be pretty brilliant. Being able to lap Rolex, Lower High Noon, etc. would be a real enhancement overall (lapping ungladed and relatively uncrowded blacks and challenging blues).

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  10. Myles Svec January 3, 2021 / 8:24 pm

    I spoke to the people that are doing the new pioneer lift and they said it won’t happen until everything else on the master plan is done. The fish creek egress is done already they said and I’m going to check tomorrow if ski bridge is built because I’m pretty sure it is.

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    • Myles Svec January 3, 2021 / 8:30 pm

      Also on the new pioneer terrain if you accidentally go outside of boundary it’s really easy to get cliffed out. That’s why they are making a better ski patrol building. Terrain will be all blacks and double blacks.

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  11. Myles Svec January 31, 2021 / 11:50 am

    My Predictions of timeline for new lifts at Steamboat

    2022, 2023 Sundown 6 pack replacement

    2022, 2023 South Peak HSQ replacement

    2022, 2023 or 2024 Wild Blue gondola.

    2022, 2023, or 2024 new Bashor lift.

    2022, 2023, or 2024 small lifts at WIld Blue midstation and the surface lifts.

    2025 Thunderhead 6 Pack Replacement

    2027 Sunshine II HSQ

    2030 Pioneer II HSQ

    Storm Peak and Morningside will probably get upgrades sometime in between. Bar UE and Burgess Creek probably wont be upgraded for a while. Priest Creek will probably be removed when Sundown 6 is built. Elkhead could be replaced with a 6 pack and the HSQ moved over to replace south peak. Sunshine will need a new lift at some point also.

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  12. Myles Svec February 13, 2021 / 6:19 pm

    Some Pictures of the Stagecoach Gondola

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    • Ryan February 13, 2021 / 9:16 pm

      Bell sure knew how to make a great looking Gondola/Gondola Cabins

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    • Bill Fetcher December 29, 2021 / 9:16 pm

      A sharp eye can pick out one of the slack carriers between Towers One, and Two at the top of Chrisie Peak. There was another slack carrier part way down Heavenly Daze. These supported the haul rope, which was allowed to droop between the towers when the cabins were taken off the line at the end of the day. Tha cabins were made for Bell by Nouvelle Carrosserie of Lausanne, Switzerland. Also, the area’s first lift, the Headwall Poma, 1961-1979, can be seen at the bottom of the postcard. This photo was taken after the Poma’s conversion in 1972 from detachable (“slingshot “) grips to fixed grips.

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  13. Myles Svec February 13, 2021 / 10:07 pm

    Here is the original Christie I lift

    On Colorado ski history it says this lift is a Roebling but the spreadsheet says it’s Cosmos so which one is it? Also is it just me or does it look like the chairlift here got Yan grips?

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    • Ryan February 13, 2021 / 11:49 pm

      Almost looks like an old Telecar..

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    • Bill Fetcher December 29, 2021 / 8:49 pm

      It’s a Cosmos, one of two Swiss imports and a used one at that, sold by the firm of Cowelco of Long Beach, CA before they went out of business. It opened 12 January 1963, used as the official opening date for what is now Steamboat Resort. Along with a few heads, the upper portion of a bulldozer can be seen. There’re some tracks on Headwall at viewer’s right, served by a Poma platter lift that opened 22 December 1961. Not too many skiers, either on the lift or the slopes! Slide is from Fetcher family collection.

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  14. Utah Powder Skier April 13, 2021 / 8:32 pm
    • Cameron Halmrast April 13, 2021 / 9:44 pm

      That looks like Vail!

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      • pbropetech April 14, 2021 / 1:59 pm

        I agree. Looks like old chair 2.

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        • Billy B. April 14, 2021 / 3:12 pm

          Good catch on this one. I will see about updating the image description in Mountain Scholar

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        • Utah Powder Skier April 14, 2021 / 3:29 pm

          Were there other center pole Riblets at Vail other than chair 2?

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  15. Grason Che April 21, 2021 / 6:24 pm

    Things I think Steamboat should do

    1. Upgrade the morning side lift because right know it is a slow 3 seater with a high demand.

    2. Add more long green/beginner trails.

    3. Get rid of Lil’ Rodeo Park and move it somewhere else because it takes up half of the stampede run.

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    • Mike B April 27, 2021 / 9:44 am

      I want a pony!

      Where would those “long green/beginner trails” go?

      And is Morningside really a priority given all of the other needs on the hill?

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      • Myles Svec April 27, 2021 / 9:58 am

        Morningside really needs a capacity upgrade with a faster lift due to how many people go there. Often lines will be something like this:

        https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeCP8BJP/

        I think Morningside should be upgraded to a HSQ with a longer alignment farther down into Holy bowl.

        Lil rodeo park should honestly be moved because there is a need of more base area and spreading out skiers coming down the mountain. Places to put this park could include the lower part of Skeeter’s run because they have had parks there in the past, one of the runs on Sunshine, or even at the new learning center that will be built.

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        • Mike B April 27, 2021 / 11:03 am

          Don’t disagree that Morningside gets crowded, but I’d rate Wild Blue, Sundown 6 and frankly Sunshine II as higher priorities for spreading out the crowds. Frankly, getting stuck in a big line on Morningside says more about the skiers there than it does about the quality of the terrain available in that pod. It’s 500 vertical, the bottom half of which is a flat run out, and there’s just 1 triple chair there for egress – do the math.

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        • Myles Svec April 27, 2021 / 11:20 am

          I would disagree with you saying the runout is flat. If you ski skier’s right of the lift it is but not if you ski skiers left of the lift. Everyone goes to Morningside because it probably has the best snow quality consistently all day.

          First stage of Wild Blue is being built next year so Wild Blue is definitely higher up. I’m guessing next priorities after Wild blue stage I is the new learning center, then a sundown upgrade, then Wild blue second stage, then a thunderhead replacement, then either Sunshine II or Pioneer Lift. Your right about Morningside not being a high priority but it should be.

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        • argothor April 27, 2021 / 11:33 am

          The other reason to go to Morningside is because it is the easiest way to get to the Chutes, Christmas Tree Bowl and Gully and the runs that go off of the top of Mt. Werner.

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        • Ryan April 27, 2021 / 7:07 pm

          Upgrade morningside to a HSQ, relocate the morningside triple to replace Bashor double- (if needed?)

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        • Myles Svec April 27, 2021 / 7:59 pm

          I would guess they would go with a more beginner friendly lift on Bashor since Morningside comes around very fast and bangs the back of your legs into it if you don’t sit down fast enough. That could be because of speed though. Also Morningside is already 25 years old and if it is going to sit at Bashor for another 25 years it would likely be a new lift. A Morningside replacement is not on master plan so it likely won’t happen soon but you never know, Alterra changes things around.

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        • pbropetech February 6, 2022 / 5:51 pm

          ‘Morningside comes around very fast and bangs the back of your legs’. Sounds like an improperly bumped chair, i.e. a lift operator problem. I’ve ridden (and bumped) countless chairs just like this and never had a problem on either side of the red boards.
          Morningside may be 25 years old but Doppelmayr (through its acquisition of CTEC via Garaventa) still fully supports these lifts- heck, they even incorporated many of CTEC’s designs into their own North American offerings. Knowing how long many fixed-grips can last I’d wager that this one could go on for another twenty-five.

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  16. Myles Svec June 4, 2021 / 2:47 pm

    Just learned some info about the Wild Blue announcement.

    The announcement will be in July next to the Torian Plum condos which are near the Christie III lift. The gondola will have both its stages the first stage built one year and I assume the second stage will be built the following year. Both stages of gondola are confirmed to be built.

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  17. Myles Svec July 29, 2021 / 10:19 am

    Does anyone have pictures of the Storm Peak platter or WJW lift?

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  18. Myles Svec August 27, 2021 / 12:33 pm

    Could Steamboat expand night skiing with the addition of the Wild Blue gondola or would it not be profitable enough?

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    • Mike B August 27, 2021 / 3:38 pm

      Not sure what would be the point. There’s nothing that can be accessed by Stage 1 of Wild Blue that can’t already be accessed by Christie via Main Drag or Boulevard. And then if you’re talking about Stage 2 to the summit, that’s crazy talk. The expense of light installation, running a massive 2 stage gondola another 4-6 hrs/day and the likely public backlash given how it would be visible from the entire valley wouldn’t be worth the effort.

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    • Donald Reif October 1, 2021 / 8:49 pm

      That’s Four Points.

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      • Myles Svec October 1, 2021 / 10:12 pm

        After some closer inspection your right. The angle of the video makes the chairs look like double chairs.

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  19. Myles Svec October 10, 2021 / 9:07 pm

    Anyone hear that the T-Bar restaurant is closing down? Wonder if Alterra is going to buy it up since it’s right on the mountain. Rip the T-Bar restaurant though.

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  20. Roger D October 10, 2021 / 11:20 pm

    They are closed now, but they are only open during ski season. Their web site makes no mention of closing down.

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    • Myles Svec October 11, 2021 / 9:41 am

      People who live there have told me it’s closing permanently.

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      • argothor December 29, 2021 / 10:50 pm

        It was open over the Christmas holiday weekend.

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  21. Myles Svec December 29, 2021 / 8:45 pm

    The Heron Poma Poma lift with 700 length and 185 vertical rise was called Stage I, the other Heron Poma platter with no name was called Summit and I believe it is the same platter as the removed Storm Peak platter as they have very similar capacities and vertical rises.

    Click to access 1640203156.pdf

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    • Myles Svec December 30, 2021 / 3:31 pm

      After looking at old maps, the platter you have on the spreadsheet called the Storm Peak platter was never named that, it was called the Summit platter.

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  22. Warner December 31, 2021 / 3:39 pm

    I feel like this map is a good idea of how the map will look when the Pioneer expansion is made except with pioneer and pony’s trails of course.

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  23. Myles Svec December 31, 2021 / 4:56 pm

    The priest creek double is still standing but all the chairs were removed so it’s status should be changed to standing.

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    • Donald Reif January 17, 2022 / 8:41 pm

      When I look at that, I keep wondering how many tall towers stage 2 of WIld Blue will have at both of its lift crossings (crossing Thunderhead and Burgess Creek).

      I’m guessing upgrading Morningside on an extended alignment is about making it so access to Morningside from Sunshine II is easier.

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      • argothor January 18, 2022 / 12:34 pm

        I was at Steamboat on Christmas day when they had 50 mph winds at the top of the Christie lift and higher which slowed the Gondola significantly. I can only imagine that the second phase of the Wild Blue will have the same issues given how tall the towers will have to be as it goes from where it crosses Vagabond and until it gets to where it will cross the upper portion Rainbow.

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      • Myles Svec January 18, 2022 / 1:04 pm

        Maybe that’s why they switched it from a 8 person gondola to a 10 person. With all those tall towers they would need heavier cabins to operate the gondola more consistently.

        Morningside on an extended alignment is to make access from Sunshine II easier and to spread skiers out more as there is a decently high skier density for terrain like Morningside.

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    • skitheeast January 18, 2022 / 10:31 am

      Wild Blue and Pioneer are already confirmed to be occurring.

      Sunshine II, Sundown Six, and South Peak Express are good ideas that seem to be in the 5-10 year plan.

      Christmas Express is a great idea to replace Bar-UE and Morningside Express seems like a smart move as well.

      Last Chance Platter is the only one I do not agree with. I think it would be better to simply put a new lift above your proposed Christmas Express to access Mt Werner and East Face.

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      • Myles Svec January 18, 2022 / 12:59 pm

        The Last Chance platter would be used to get from the bottom of East Face to the top of pioneer express hence why it does not go to the top of the chutes. If you look at topographical maps the last chance cat track is lower than the top of Pioneer express.

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    • argothor February 15, 2022 / 11:10 pm

      With the exception of Christmas Express, Last Chance platter and the Morningside realignment all of the lifts you mention are already in Steamboat’s Master Development plans.

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  24. Myles Svec January 17, 2022 / 8:44 pm

    For those who are wondering, the part for the Wild blue gondola cut through the top of closets is very skinny, so it shouldn’t impact tree skiing too much.

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    • pbropetech January 18, 2022 / 3:07 pm

      That may be the survey sight line, which would be widened once actual construction begins.

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    • argothor February 15, 2022 / 10:57 pm

      I skied part of that cut recently. There are tagged trees a good 10 feet out from the cut on both sides. That tells me that Steamboat is going to make that cut at least 20 feet wider than it currently is.

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  25. argothor January 18, 2022 / 3:30 pm

    When you say “very skinny”, how wide are you talking? One would believe they cut swath would be at least as wide as the tower.

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    • Myles Svec January 18, 2022 / 5:54 pm

      Like as wide as the tower then a little space. Maybe like 20 feet wide.

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  26. Ryan April 18, 2022 / 1:18 pm

    Sad day. They started tearing up the base area. Gondolas are finally in storage up top, excavators are digging out the decorative rock and mini golf area in front of the coaster house- next up I think they’ll be pulling the chairs off of Christie Express as well as cutting the cable off of Preview and pulling her down.

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    • Donald Reif April 18, 2022 / 4:09 pm

      This will be making the base completely unrecognizable compared to 2006, when there was just one gondola, and this hill had two double chairlifts and a triple on it.

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      • Ryan April 19, 2022 / 2:12 am

        Well.. Christie III will still be there.. for now. Are they moving the CPE to the right or to the left of where it is now?

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        • argothor April 19, 2022 / 7:19 am

          According the Steamboat web site the bottom terminal of the Christie Peak Express will be moved to the south of where it currently is. And to make room for that move the Outlaw Mountain Coaster is being removed and not excepted to be reinstalled.

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        • Ryan April 19, 2022 / 5:58 pm

          Yeah I heard about the Mountain Coaster. Dang it I would have liked to have ridden it.

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        • pbropetech April 19, 2022 / 9:11 pm

          Ryan, we still have ours if you want a ride.

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        • argothor April 19, 2022 / 10:00 pm

          The mountain coaster looked like it would be fun to ride. Once. But it the cost was more than I was willing to pay for the short ride.

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    • pbropetech April 19, 2022 / 9:06 pm

      Nice find. The first time I skied the ‘boat was the only time I’ve seen both lifts operating at the same time.

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      • Carson April 19, 2022 / 9:15 pm

        Believe it or not I’ve never have skied here seems like a fun mountain to try one day.

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        • Ryan May 11, 2022 / 12:32 am

          It was a hidden treasure for quite awhile. It does offer great skiing on powder days and during the weekdays, but I’d avoid weekends, just like most other mountain resorts. I love the Steamboat area, year round.

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  27. Ryan May 19, 2022 / 5:21 am

    Awesome photos. Thank you for sharing.

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