Whistler Blackcomb, BC

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  1. Andrew November 6, 2017 / 3:29 pm

    Think about this, every lift that has run in the spot where Creekside gondola operates has been removed due to a mechanical malfunction. The original gondola suffered a fatal grip failure, and was removed. Then, Yan made Quicksilver, which also had issues regarding the grip. Now, Creekside Gondola has TB-41s, which have fallen off of the line in the past, like when that chair fell off of the old Harmony Express. Funny coincidence.

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    • Rob November 8, 2017 / 7:17 am

      The chair that came off the line at Harmony had nothing to do with the grip. It was a broken assembly bolt.

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      • Andrew November 8, 2017 / 12:15 pm

        Didn’t know that. I think those grips have had issues in the past though on other lifts, Don’t remember the exact lifts, but I recall a few lifts that had issues regarding the grip.

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        • John January 2, 2019 / 8:52 am

          TB grips have been pretty reliable, from my experience. What sort of issues do you know of?

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        • Max Hart January 2, 2019 / 5:57 pm

          If I recall correctly, a chair fell off Timberline’s Magic Mile Quad a few years ago. It’s a 1992 Poma 1st gen. Challenger with TB-41s and Competition chairs. That’s the only incident I can think of.

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  2. Snocat1947 November 8, 2017 / 9:22 pm

    That’s a pretty nebulous statement. You may be referring to an incident at Mt. Hood where a chair fell from a maintenance oversight…not a grip issue.
    Not a TB-41 issue.

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    • Andrew November 9, 2017 / 4:50 pm

      Fair enough. I was under the impression that the TB-41s had had issues in the past with the grip itself, but it sounds like these was due to other conditions. Thanks for notifying me of that.

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  3. Ben March 9, 2018 / 7:49 am

    Does anyone have pics of the black chair or the original Yan high speeds?

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      • Collin March 9, 2018 / 11:56 am

        I don’t think Peter repurposes pictures from other sites for the database.

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      • Misha Flynn March 9, 2018 / 2:23 pm

        Well I would still appreciate it if he posted links to them.

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      • Ben March 10, 2018 / 4:36 pm

        It says I can’t access the photos

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  4. Ben March 10, 2018 / 4:36 pm

    It says I can’t access the photos

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    • Ryan Murphy March 10, 2018 / 6:40 pm

      I’m pretty sure it restricts photos if you don’t have an account. Just make one, it’s free.

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  5. Max Hart March 10, 2018 / 6:08 pm

    Here’s a good shot of Killington’s Superstar Quad (1987 Yan CLD4):

    and the upper lift line of Superstar:

    I love how they say “state of the art detachable quads” when in reality they were death traps that had to be rebuilt after only a few years of service.

    There are a few more good shots of Superstar at 8:15 and 8:48 here as well:

    Here’s a good one of Greyhawk at Sun Valley. There are clips of Challenger as well starting at 4:18 and ending at 7:03:

    There’s a good page of some of Yan’s fixed grip designs as well on Skilifts.org:
    http://www.skilifts.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10947&hl=&fromsearch=1

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  6. Ben March 22, 2018 / 9:26 am

    Is there some where I can find the meaning of uni g unigs unigm uni unigxxl and so on?

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    • Peter Landsman March 22, 2018 / 9:35 am

      UNIG is Doppelmayr’s standard detachable terminal worldwide. Uni meaning one and G for global. It comes in many different lengths and two different widths. According to Alpinforum:
      • UNIG S: 21 windows
      • UNIG M: 25 windows
      • UNIG L 31 windows
      • UNIG XL: 33 windows
      • UNIG XXL: 35 windows
      • UNIG XXXL: 37 windows

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  7. Ben March 23, 2018 / 8:47 am

    Where can I find pictures and discriptions of the different dopplmeyer terminals.

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  8. Ben March 24, 2018 / 9:08 pm

    Will the terminals on the new blackcomb gondola be unig vision?

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    • Cooper April 2, 2018 / 4:10 pm

      I dont think so. It will be a ordinary unig XXL terminal I think. Uni G visions are quite rare in North america and I think aspen has one.

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      • Peter Landsman April 2, 2018 / 4:13 pm

        Huh? Aspen Skiing Co. doesn’t operate any Doppelmayr lifts.

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      • Cooper April 2, 2018 / 4:14 pm

        I was wrong its Keystone’s River run gondola.

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      • Rob Withey April 2, 2018 / 4:49 pm

        Blackcomb Gondola will be XXL UniG at top and bottom and 2 x L at midstation

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  9. jon April 13, 2018 / 6:43 pm

    Which lifts will the Blackomb gondola replace?

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      • Duncan September 27, 2018 / 8:27 am

        Huh. I thought it was replacing Excalibur. But I checked and I guess you’re right.

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      • Thomas Jett September 27, 2018 / 11:44 am

        Eventually, they’re going to extend Excalibur to the bottom of Glacier and Jersey Cream.

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      • AvocadoAndy September 27, 2018 / 12:08 pm

        How exactly would they expand Excalibur? I would imagine they’d have to replace most of the components of the gondola, given that the technology is dated.

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      • Robert Withey September 27, 2018 / 7:35 pm

        I think major modifications would be needed to Excalibur for it to be extended as Doppelmayr no longer make terminals the work with DT grips. I think the best option would be to replace it entirely, or keep it and add another separate lift.

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        • Ted December 20, 2018 / 2:12 pm

          Excalibur has ds grips, not dt. Dt are still i. Production.

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        • Robert Withey December 21, 2018 / 10:57 am

          Ted. You are correct about the grip type. Typo there. Should be DS.

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  10. Ben September 26, 2018 / 7:33 am

    Why did the peak chair never run with gondolas?

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    • Andrew September 26, 2018 / 10:35 am

      Not sure. Perhaps after investing in the construction of the lift, they had the intentions of ordering the cabins later on, but maybe they didn’t have the money to do so at the time. It may also be a conditional thing, that lift is quite windy, even in the summer, which may have actually invalidated the usage of the gondola cabins. Whatever the case may be, I’ve never seen this lift running with gondolas, and I doubt they even have the cabins to do so.

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    • Robert Withey September 27, 2018 / 7:38 pm

      The original plan was to run with gondola cabins off Creekside, but the logistics a pretty big to do the changeover twice a year for a short season.

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      • Collin September 27, 2018 / 9:59 pm

        Lake Louise does that with Grizzly and Glaicer. Glacier is the summer lift and is a Leitner high speed quad. Grizzly is a Poma 6 passenger gondola. In the summer they swap cabins from Grizzly over to Glacier and run it as a Chondola. I’m guessing they need completely different hanger arms to do that, as would be required to run the Creekside cabins on Peak. Also, Creekside recently started running in the summer to serve more bike trails.

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  11. Ben December 13, 2018 / 7:29 am

    Isn’t Whistler village gondola a 8 mgd?

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    • Rob Withey December 13, 2018 / 5:30 pm

      WVG has ten passenger cabins but is certified for nine people.

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      • Maxwell Uguccioni February 24, 2019 / 8:17 pm

        What do you mean by certified for 9?

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  12. Jonathan December 31, 2018 / 5:33 pm

    Does anyone know what happened with the Excalibur Gondola Crash?

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    • snowbasinlocal12894 December 31, 2018 / 7:16 pm

      Water got inside of the splice section of the tower tube. When the cold temps came the water turned to ice causing it to expand lifting the tower and the nuts and bolts broke. Causing the tower to fall right over. The term is called “Ice jacking”. Unfortunately the bolts gave away when people were on the lift.

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      • Rob Withey January 6, 2019 / 9:35 am

        Wasn’t nuts and bolts that broke, the welded flange separated from the tube.

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  13. jcpierce05 January 5, 2019 / 10:04 am

    I have always wondered about these lift upgrades:

    1. Replace Whistler Village Gondola with a 2 stage 6/10 chondola

    2. Replace Fitzsimmons with a bubble 6 chair

    3. Replace Creekside Gondola with a new 8 person gondola.

    4. Replace Franz and Big Red Express with the old Creekside Gondola

    5.Jersey Cream Express with bubble 6 chair

    6. Replace Showcase T-Bar with the old Franz chair

    7. Replace T-Bars 1 and 2 with new CLF 4

    8. Replace Horsrman T-Bar with new CLF 4

    9. Replace Magic with Chondola and extend up to mid-unload of Excalibur

    10. Replace Excalibur with new 4/8 MDG using the existing chairs from Excelrator and have 2 mid unloads, one where the existing one is, and then extend up to replace the Excelerator. Have another unload where the Excelrator begins.

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    • alex January 5, 2019 / 4:57 pm

      One question i have is can a chondola have a midstation? To date I cannot think of a chondola that contains one.

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      • Robert Withey January 6, 2019 / 6:01 am

        “One question i have is can a chondola have a midstation? To date I cannot think of a chondola that contains one.”

        You can, but they are large, complex terminals with lots of moving parts.

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        • Charlie February 2, 2019 / 4:36 pm

          Buck hill wants to install a chondola that would be a dumb detach, so would a fixed grip work?

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    • Rob Withey January 6, 2019 / 8:05 am

      I have always wondered about these lift upgrades:

      1. Replace Whistler Village Gondola with a 2 stage 6/10 chondola
      Never happen. Will always be a Gondola

      2. Replace Fitzsimmons with a bubble 6 chair
      May possibly be upgraded to a 6 or 8 for the bike park. Can’t see bubbles returning after they were removed.

      3. Replace Creekside Gondola with a new 8 person gondola.
      Sooner the better. 10 person, same as New Blackcomb gondola

      4. Replace Franz and Big Red Express with the old Creekside Gondola.
      Big red staying. Franz will be replaced with a new 4 or 6. Who knows when. Alignment is bottom of existing Franz to top of T-bars. Hopefully old Creek
      gondola disappears.

      5.Jersey Cream Express with bubble 6 chair
      May get replaced at some point. Definitely won’t have bubbles. Too windy.

      6. Replace Showcase T-Bar with the old Franz chair
      Glacier T-bar will stay as long as the ice is there. Old franz chair will hopefully disappear.

      7. Replace T-Bars 1 and 2 with new CLF 4
      Just need new T-bars. Good bad weather lifts.

      8. Replace Horsrman T-Bar with new CLF 4
      Glacier lift again. Ice recession means a total rethink of that lift.

      9. Replace Magic with Chondola and extend up to mid-unload of Excalibur
      On the old renaissance plan. Could happen in the future.

      10. Replace Excalibur with new 4/8 MDG using the existing chairs from Excelerator and have 2 mid unloads, one where the existing one is, and then extend up to replace the Excelerator. Have another unload where the Excelerator begins.
      Excal may get the third section going to Glacier Creek. If it were me, I would do it as new two section lift. Excel unlikely to change, but would be nice to
      see it extended up to say the Wishbone/Gandy Dancer split.

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      • alex January 6, 2019 / 9:43 pm

        Is WB still considering the Showcase Gondola idea that was in the Blackcomb master plan?

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        • Robert Withey January 8, 2019 / 11:30 pm

          Don’t think so. The tunnel that is part of that plan is not viable. Rock conditions unfavourable.

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        • skiz November 1, 2019 / 1:21 pm

          anyone have any plans on the showcase gondola tunnel?
          Sounds very interesting

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  14. Logan January 8, 2019 / 10:01 pm

    The Blackcomb gondola has 21 towers on each side.

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  15. Charlie February 2, 2019 / 4:37 pm

    Buck hill wants to install a chondola that would be a dumb detach, so would a fixed grip work?

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    • Robert Withey February 6, 2019 / 12:49 pm

      Fixed grip gondolas really don’t work as the terminal speed has to be low for safe loading/unloading.

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    • Rob withey October 31, 2019 / 10:51 pm

      No room to keep it. We had to use the same alignment. Also very expensive to keep around as a back up lift

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  16. Charlie February 7, 2019 / 7:58 am

    It will be interesting to see what the final product is because there is no room at the bottom or top for a detach and it would be maybe 1,000 feet long

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  17. Maxwell Uguccioni March 8, 2019 / 11:22 pm

    What’s next on the chopping block? 7th heaven express being replaced with 7th Heaven 6 Express?

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    • Rob Withey March 9, 2019 / 10:55 am

      Lots of other things need to happen in conjunction with an upgrade there.

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  18. gavin May 26, 2019 / 3:19 pm

    I hope for 7th Heaven 6 or Franz’s express for next year. Or maybe both!

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  19. Gavin May 26, 2019 / 3:21 pm

    Also is the Olympic chair needed? Isn’t it really long for a beginner lift? What is it used for

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    • Donald Reif May 26, 2019 / 3:31 pm

      Olympic serves a learning area. And before the Garbanzo Express was put in in 1999, Olympic was how you got from the gondola midstation to the Black Chair, Garbanzo’s predecessor. Black Chair ran up Seppo’s run, and I think you can still find the tower foundations for it there in the summer.

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