2020 New Lifts

This is a list of new lifts likely to be built in North America during the 2020 construction season.  Last updated 3/26/2020.

Blue = Doppelmayr
Yellow = Leitner-Poma
Green = Skytrac
Brown = LST
Purple = Partek
Orange = SkyTrans
Gray = Re-installations (used lifts)
Red = To be announced

ATW = Aerial Tramway
CL = Chairlift
G = Gondola
SL = Surface lift
D = Detachable
F = Fixed grip
M = Monocable
P = Pulse

129 thoughts on “2020 New Lifts

  1. alex September 29, 2018 / 7:28 pm

    Awesome. One tweak. I believe the plan is for the McCoy Park Egress to be a 3-CLF

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    • Mike B October 16, 2018 / 4:54 pm

      Per some real estate renderings from last year, it’s supposed to start at the new upper village area near the Hyatt and Sunrise lodge/base of current Sunrise lift. From there it seems to head SW or SSW to somewhere between the base of Peak 5 and Dreamcatcher – unclear on specifics given the available information. If done right, it could be transformational from the perspective of enabling single-ride access to the southern half of the old Canyons terrain. Lift layout would still suck there, and be permanently hamstrung by short-sighted real estate decisions, but I guess a step in the right direction.


      • reaperskier October 16, 2018 / 5:24 pm

        Would it replace the existing sunrise double?


      • Mike B October 17, 2018 / 11:56 am

        I believe the plan is to replace that with a different lift.


  2. Thomas Jett September 29, 2018 / 10:50 pm

    You should make a “planned lifts” page that lists planned lifts that don’t have a definitive or anticipated construction date.

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    • designbycalvinprocessblog October 1, 2018 / 11:07 pm

      Interesting. If this goes through I wonder if Wilbere would be removed. The top terminal of the proposed race lift would intersect with the top unload of Wilbere, and that is already a very high traffic intersection of Bass Highway cat-track, and it doesn’t offer much space for a new lift and more unloading traffic.


  3. Duncan October 16, 2018 / 8:30 am

    Hey Pete, any reason this isn’t accessible from the drop-down menu? And on the map you called sunrise express a clf.


  4. Jonathan December 22, 2018 / 10:00 am

    What is the Flatirons Lift at Big Sky?


    • Peter Landsman December 22, 2018 / 10:04 am

      It will connect the lower part of Spanish Peaks to the top of Lone Moose. The lift line was cut last summer. It is scheduled to be built in either 2019 or 2020.

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      • Doppelmayr FTW December 22, 2018 / 4:03 pm

        I believe this one will connect the highlands development to the ski area correct?

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      • Thomas Jett January 25, 2019 / 6:48 pm

        Peter, you linked a master plan on the 10/5/18 news roundup that indicates that two lifts will be built on that peak: one from the base of Spanish Peaks (Highlands), and one running up the east face (Flatiron). From your description, wouldn’t this be the Highlands lift?

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      • V3 December 26, 2019 / 6:46 pm

        They built Highlands lift and Madison this year (2019), Doppelmayr load tested them few weeks ago. Madison most likely wont turn this season as there is no finished homes/condos to serve, no idea about Highlands running this season as it serves nothing but real estate developments too and I havent been over there to see what is complete.


        • vons3 March 22, 2020 / 11:07 am

          I was wrong on this point Madison and Highlands turned all season. Madison lift in particular reminded me of The South Park “Aspen episode” with the exclusive lift that took the parents to the timeshare sales office as it ends at an unfinished condo development.

          I wish they had built a trail down the drainage from the base of Southern Comfort lift to Highlands as it would be a nice way to get to Flatiron trails without having to take the long flat traverse at the base of Thunderwolf. I am not sure how you even get to the bottom of this lift other than from real estate as there’s not much of a trail system below Lewis and Clark lift (non this season due to construction) in that area.

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  5. Somebody January 31, 2019 / 7:46 pm

    Wonder if one wasatch will ever come. Highly doubtful the pc/brighton link will ever happen now with vail and alterra, but I wonder if the cottonwoods will link up.

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  6. Carson January 31, 2019 / 8:30 pm

    I hope not I would like to keep the resorts not connected but there is some trails that do connect solitude and Brighton together to make solbright and there is a pass for both same with snow bird and alta


  7. Sam A. February 14, 2019 / 9:28 am

    Mount Snow, VT has been hinting to a Leitner-Poma detachable quad to replace the fixed grip one on the Sunbrook side. However, this is not final. Just an FYI.


    • Max Hart February 14, 2019 / 11:46 am

      It’s about time.


      • reaperskier February 14, 2019 / 1:51 pm

        But where would the old sunbrook quad be relocated to?


        • Max Hart February 14, 2019 / 2:30 pm

          I would think that I could be a good contender to replace Tumbleweed. It’s a CTEC, so Peak Resorts could even opt to sell it (someone would buy that lift). It certainly wouldn’t be scrapped.


        • Sam A. March 14, 2019 / 5:24 am

          They did mention that they were going to convert Heavy Metal #3 into a quad, so that could be an option. As Max said, that would be a good contender to replace Tumbleweed. That lift needs some higher capacity anyway, especially since it serves a lodge.


  8. Charlie February 14, 2019 / 5:41 pm

    Let’s hope we can see a Lutsen lift or two here, we could have the answer by June


  9. Carson March 1, 2019 / 3:27 pm

    Solitude pushed back the sunrise replacement to 2020.


  10. BGlynn March 11, 2019 / 2:53 pm

    Tamarack in Idaho is putting back a lift where the Wildwood Express used to be


      • BGlynn March 13, 2019 / 2:25 pm

        Hi Peter, yes it should be this year. It is purchased and will be installed this fall.


        • Dhowe March 13, 2019 / 4:03 pm

          Can they reuse the footings from the old wildwood and save money on survey, clearing, excavation, concrete? Seems like they could just fly in new towers and terminals and be done


        • Max Hart March 13, 2019 / 4:18 pm

          Dhowe I think they can. Doppelmayr still makes the Uni-G, which structurally was exactly the same as the Uni-GS. They should be able to just put Uni-G terminals of the same length onto the existing foundations. They could probably still even use the exact same layout in terms of towers and their heights. The surveying and design work is already done (from the old lift); I would think that they could use pretty much everything from when the first Wildwood was built. Even sheave assembly size and placement is already on paper from the old lift. Doppelmayr designs just haven’t changed enough to create a real problem.

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        • Donald Reif January 20, 2020 / 10:43 am

          ” Doppelmayr still makes the Uni-G, which structurally was exactly the same as the Uni-GS.” Tamarack’s reuse of the original Wildwood Express’s terminal foundations when they rebuilt the lift in 2019 is proof it’s doable:


  11. gavin March 11, 2019 / 6:21 pm

    A new Ullr mountain fixed grip quad with carpet would be great at Lutsen. And I’ve always wondered about expansion to mystery mountain. A new triple there, maybe?


  12. Charlie March 12, 2019 / 7:10 am

    For Mystery maybe a low capacity high speed quad


    • Donald Reif January 20, 2020 / 10:46 am

      The proposed Gelande lift at Durango:


  13. Regarding the Game Creek Express lift upgrade, it’s going to be interesting to see whether that one goes to Doppelmayr or Leitner-Poma, seeing as both companies have built six-packs for Vail (Northwoods Express for Leitner-Poma, and the Mountaintop Express and Avanti Express for Doppelmayr). Will they go with Doppelmayr (since there are no Pomas in that part of the mountain and the six packs closer to that area are Doppelmayrs) or stick to Leitner-Poma?

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    • Thomas Jett May 6, 2019 / 1:11 am

      Doppelmayr will be interesting, as I think I recall hearing that they were hoping to phase out the UNI-G a few years after the D-Line was introduced, like they did with the UNI-M after they introduced the UNI-G. As far as I know, all of their 2019 winter-use installations are UNI-G, but it’ll be interesting to see if Vail leads the charge with D-Line adoption.


  14. cfglick May 29, 2019 / 8:19 am

    Whats the peak 7 infill at breck?


    • Donald Reif May 29, 2019 / 3:55 pm

      I’m wondering about that too. I suspect it could be a high speed quad or something that makes it so skier traffic on Peak 6 can bypass Peak 7 Base when returning to Peak 8 (much like the Peak 6 Parkway allows one to go directly from the Rocky Mountain SuperChair to Zendo without going through Peak 7 Base).


      • Donald Reif May 29, 2019 / 4:41 pm

        So Shadow Mountain is proposed to be a high speed quad/six-person gondola cabins Chondola?

        And I too wonder what the “Peak 7 Infill” lift at Breck will be. My guess is that it’s probably going to be a high speed quad that will run from the junction of Monte Cristo and Wirepatch up to Pioneer Crossing. I suspect since the proposed lift is to improve circulation of skier traffic, the lift is probably going to be one that allows for Peak 6 skiers to get back to Peak 8 without going through Peak 7’s base area, and also allow those skiing laps on Monte Cristo, Angel’s Rest, Lincoln Meadows and Wirepatch to lap those runs without having to ski the icy runout of lower Monte Cristo. Taking that skier traffic and putting it all into a new lift could achieve the goal of absorbing a good share of the Independence SuperChair’s traffic. And result in Peak 7 having two superchairs that serve most of the same terrain but have different functions, in much the same way the Colorado and Rocky Mountain SuperChairs handle lower Peak 8 while the Beaver Run and Mercury SuperChairs handle upper Peak 9.

        And if it’s a high speed quad, this infill superchair will be Breckenridge’s sole high speed quad to not use Omega chairs (since every indication these days is that Leitner-Poma’s Omega chairs are not only used on fixed grip lifts, with the LPA chairs being the standard for detachables; Hunter’s Northern Express being probably the sole exception in recent years as it received Omega chairs per a custom order).


  15. mzg June 7, 2019 / 11:22 am

    I would expect the new Snowshoe lift to be a Doppelmayr given their prior history there.


  16. reaperskier July 8, 2019 / 6:49 pm

    I see that dagmar is installing a new lift in 2020 to replace the rendezvous triple.

    I’m guessing its either going to be a used BM Lifts Quad, an LPOA fixed grip quad similar to favourite or a skytrac quad.


  17. skitheeast July 25, 2019 / 12:54 pm

    The Squaw Alpine California Express Gondola cleared more hurdles yesterday and now only needs USFS approval (which they should get relatively soon). The Squaw terminal will be basically where Red Dog is today and Alterra has said they have only delayed the replacement of Red Dog to see where the gondola terminal would go, so this lift will probably replaced with a detachable quad or six pack at the same time as the gondola installation. I would expect these two lifts to be installed in 2020.

    Once this occurs, I presume Alpine Meadows will be officially folded under Squaw Valley and it will be one unified resort (similarly to Canyons being folded under Park City when Vail connected the two mountains).


    • Thomas Jett July 25, 2019 / 6:35 pm

      I don’t think that Alterra will spend that much money in one resort. Squalpine just got a two-stage detachable quad; a three-stage gondola *and* a six-pack would be insane. Mammoth, for example, hasn’t had a new lift since 2011.


    • Collin Parsons July 26, 2019 / 6:03 am

      I expect 2020 to be a huge year for Alterra. Mammoth will likely get something too if Squaw is getting the California Express and Red Dog replacement. I’ve also heard of lifts at Tremblant and Snowshoe rumored for 2020.


      • Thomas Jett July 26, 2019 / 10:10 pm

        So then the predictions are:

        Crystal: ?
        Squaw: Red Dog replacement, California Express
        Mammoth: 16 replacement
        June: N/A
        Big Bear: N/A
        Deer Valley: N/A
        Solitude: Sunrise replacement
        Steamboat: N/A
        Winter Park: N/A
        Snowshoe: ?
        Stratton: N/A
        Blue Mountain: N/A
        Tremblant: ?

        That’s comes out to 5-6 express lifts, when they normally only build 3.


        • reaperskier July 27, 2019 / 7:30 am

          For blue mountain, they could either build a new L-Hill lift (either a detachable quad or a 2400 p/h detachable 6 pack) like intrawest originally planned or a new lift at the north end of blue which runs up rabbits run in front of TSC (either a detachable quad or six)


        • skitheeast July 27, 2019 / 2:02 pm

          If the new C Hotel is going to open at Tremblant for the 2020-2021 ski season, then Tremblant will get a new lift in the form of either Timber or Le Soleil 2.0 as a six-pack. Snowshoe has been rumored to get a Powder Monkey replacement for next year as well. I also think Mammoth will replace 1 before 16, although there are a number of replacement they can and should make.

          Then there are the unanswered questions. Will Crystal finally replace Rainer Express or add the Bullion Basin or Kelly’s Gap lifts? Will Deer Valley finally try to finalize a Main Street gondola or replace Mayflower to prepare for the new Mayflower real estate complex? Will Steamboat or Winter Park get new lifts again especially if Vail decides to do a few major upgrades in Colorado? Will Blue Mountain finally put in the L-hill six pack? There are dozens of lifts Alterra mountains have proposed, and some of them are pretty desperately needed. Alterra has prioritized snow infrastructure like snowcats and snowmaking equipment because they understand that lifts are useless without good snow while also focusing on where they can directly increase their revenue (mountain biking, on-mountain dining, etc.). However, they are reaching a point where these one time investments have been made and they can now focus on chairlifts.


        • Collin Parsons July 27, 2019 / 4:55 pm

          The Timber expansion is on the master plan, and the snowmaking upgrade on Algonquin makes it clear as day that it’s a priority. Depending on the reliability of Soleil this coming season, I think Timber should be done first.

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        • atc1701 July 27, 2019 / 5:23 pm

          Le Soleil isn’t incredibly unreliable, but is (as expected) sensitive to cold and wind, so it’s put on hold frequently. It doesn’t have many years left, from what I could tell – maybe 2 or 3, tops. Timber is indeed on the master plan, but things might have changed with the change in management to Alterra. There’s little evidence aside from the snowmaking upgrade on L’Algonquin that the Timber expansion will be done; keep in mind also that Tremblant likes to prioritize beginner and intermediate terrain for snowmaking, and L’Algonquin is a major beginner trail.

          Having been to Blue Mountain a few times, I think the L-Hill lift is a priority before anything on the north end. The central area is far more frequently busy.


        • Collin Parsons July 27, 2019 / 6:02 pm

          Timber will be all beginner and intermediate terrain, and they need more intermediate terrain. That is why I see it as a priority, in addition to the fact that Tremblant is bursting at the seams with the crowds it gets. An expansion would allow things to be spread out.


        • Thomas Jett July 27, 2019 / 10:44 pm

          There’s no way that Mammoth does anything other than 16 first. They already have the paperwork for 16 submitted, not any other lift like 1. 16 is a lot more of a workhorse than 1 because Canyon lodge is used as a base by the majority of skiers, and it’s the main out-of-base lift of the four at Canyon. My guess at Mammoth’s priority is:
          1. Replacement of 16
          2. Replacement 1
          3. Switching of 15’s chairs for gondola cabins, and a second stage to the top of 5 (Rusty Gregory indicated that this would happen once the land exchange happens, and he’s now CEO of Alterra)
          3.1 Extension of the village gondola to what will be 15’s midstation
          3.2 A tram from the top of 5 to the summit
          4. Replacement of 2, with the current lift being relocated to 25 in an alignment starting at the bottom of 9
          5. Replacement of the 12 and 14.
          6. Construction of new beginner surface lifts, including a replacement of seven, and a new detachable parallel to 2 ending halfway down Forest Trail

          And at some point, they’ll build a lift from the top of 9 to the top of Dave’s Run to allow the East ridge to be lapped. Beyond the master plan, I wouldn’t be surprised if 10 was replaced and recycled to replace one of the fixed grips.


    • Collin Parsons July 28, 2019 / 11:08 am

      If Canyon Lodge is the most crowded, then a bubble-8 for 16 would make all the sense in the world. I’ve never skied Mammoth so I’m not really sure about the rest. The problem with converting 15 to a gondola and adding a second stage is that it’s a prototype UNI-G which was only made for one year. I don’t know how different the UNI-G is now compared to the prototype.


  18. gavin August 8, 2019 / 12:01 pm

    They should replace the Lions express at cypress mountain with a six pack and move that to replace raven ridge, drawing more advanced skiers and boarders over to that area, possibly convincing the owners to open that area earlier in the season.


  19. Gavin September 10, 2019 / 11:57 am

    And for whistler next season they should replace franzs and the t bars with a detach quad, and either replace glacier or 7th Heaven with a 6


    • Jonathan September 13, 2019 / 11:35 am

      I would not necessarily replace the Glacier Express with a 6 chair. I think the quad that is there has and ideal capacity but it could be higher. I was there the first week of 2019 and the runs did not seem too skied off and it was some of the only good snow on the mountain. If there was a six chair there, I do think the lines on the two T-Bars would be too long. If I was Whistler, I would replace 7th Heaven with a new 6 chair (like you suggested) and overhaul this lift with new terminals, get the chairs re-galvanized and new seat pads, and new haul rope. Then they could increase the capacity to 2,700/hour by reusing some of the chairs from 7th Heaven. Maybe they could reduce the amount of traffic on 7th Heaven by replacing Horstman T-Bar with a fixed quad with a low capacity of 1,800 hour. They could reuse towers and chairs from 7th Heaven.

      I do like the idea of replacing Franzs chair and the T-Bars with a new high speed quad.


      • Philip wensley October 19, 2019 / 9:03 pm

        Having skied whistler 6 times, compared to other lifts the queues on glacier express are minimal so a quad would be fine. Hortsman should probably be replaced with a quad tripe or double because it is always too steep and icy to run. A quad would be open more allowing advanced skiers to ski pakalolo, cougar chutes, teetering, purple haze, colour extreme and false face without having togo up jersey cream and seventh heaven (which are quite crowded). As for six packs, jersey cream, symphony and big red are the best for that. But the most important thing whistler has to do lift wise is increase the capacity form the main village up the mountain. You could wait in two hour queues.


        • Donald Reif December 2, 2019 / 11:39 am

          On the Whistler side, they can increase capacity by just running Fitzsimmons all day long.


        • jcpierce05 December 2, 2019 / 2:50 pm

          I think the best option is to increase capacity out of the Whistler Village is to replace the WVG with a 10 pack gondola. The current lift has a high amount of hours on it (I’m guessing over 100,000) and the lines are long. This would let them reduce the amount of hours on Fitzsimmons, and when I was there last January they ran the Fitzsimmons all day and the gondola still had lines. Since this was peak season, they probably needed to run the lift all day to help with capacity. Yes, the replacement may pose a problem for summer operations, but I think it would be worth the investment. The lift did get overhauled in 2014 with new cabins and some other updates. For the “new” cabins, Whistler would store them and then in future years they would upgrade the Creekside Gondola using those cabins.

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    • powderforever21 September 16, 2019 / 8:24 pm

      Do you know who will build the new lift?


      • Thomas Jett September 16, 2019 / 8:49 pm

        Since Yan went under in the 90s, Mammoth has only bought from Doppelmayr. It will be from them.


  20. gavin September 16, 2019 / 7:16 pm

    Probably Jersey Cream at Whistler is more needed as a 6 pack.


    • powderforever21 September 16, 2019 / 8:02 pm

      Especially since of the new gondola and that it’s getting old.


  21. gavin October 16, 2019 / 6:09 pm

    would the new pali be a triple or quad? Also I’m thinking can’t Molly Hogan be replaced with a carpet? It is really short.


    • jcpierce05 October 16, 2019 / 7:04 pm

      A little while back, A-Basin said that they were going to replace Pali with a new double chair. I don’t know if that’s still the plan as I believe A-Basin is now operated by Alterra. If I were A-Basin, I would replace Pali with a low capacity high speed quad. Maybe 1800/hour?

      As for Molly Hogan, the lift is short, but I do think a surface lift would work in the alignment. Maybe a platter? This is just my opinion as I prefer lifts to carpets. Hope A-Basin gets some new lifts next summer!


      • Peter D. October 16, 2019 / 7:48 pm

        A-Basin is not operated by Alterra

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      • skitheeast October 16, 2019 / 9:20 pm

        Pali would be awesome as a low capacity high-speed quad, as it would relieve base congestion and reduce the number of lifts required to get to the Beavers, but it is not A-Basin’s style. As demonstrated by the Beavers and Zuma installations, A-Basin is fine having fixed-grip lifts at lengths which many would consider too long even on terrain with intermediate runs.

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    • Donald Reif October 20, 2019 / 4:03 pm

      Something must’ve happened that led them to scale back to just a single high speed quad.


      • Gavin October 28, 2019 / 12:41 pm

        If Arizona snowbowl s chondola is built, they should build a low capacity t bar or platter in North bowl.


  22. Ryan Murphy November 6, 2019 / 6:48 pm

    Unofficial Networks is reporting that Chair 6 at Loveland will be replaced in 2021. They’ve occasionally had issues fact checking, but felt like it was worth mentioning.


  23. Somebody November 11, 2019 / 8:17 pm

    You have a lot of faith in Saddleback for putting a Rangeley HSQ on the list for this Summer.


  24. reaperskier November 18, 2019 / 11:49 am

    I see searchmont is planning two skytrac lifts next summer.

    What are their plans for these two lifts?


  25. gavin December 1, 2019 / 10:47 pm

    What do you guys think are the most likely new lifts for Vail resorts this year?
    Here are a few of my predictions:

    Vail: Game Creek Express 6

    Keystone: Wayback Express or Outback Surface Lift

    Kirkwood: Wagon Wheel Express

    WB: Jersey Cream 6 or 7th Heaven 6, Franz’s Express ( from the bottom of Franz’s to the top of the T bar)

    Park City: Sunrise has been confirmed, right?

    Mt Sunapee: Could this be the year of the West Bowl Expansion?

    Stowe: This is optimistic but Mountain or Lookout express

    Okemo: Jackson Gore beginner lift

    I think 2020 will be a big year for Vail.

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    • Will December 2, 2019 / 10:20 am

      I think they will replace Big Chief @ Stevens with a fg quad,


    • Donald Reif December 2, 2019 / 11:37 am

      Breckenridge: Infill high speed quad on Peak 7


      • Brendan December 2, 2019 / 5:11 pm

        Very happy about this! Less crowding and the ability to lap ore bucket! :D


    • Mike B December 2, 2019 / 3:59 pm

      Most of these look reasonable, though the Stowe and Sunapee ones seem a bit more hopeful than likely. If they start anywhere at Sunapee, I suspect it would be the long rumored replacement of Sunbowl with a high speed lift that precipitates a three-way shuffle. The current FG4 would replace the North Peak triple, which itself would be repurposed to provide lift access from the bottom of Sun Bowl to the top of North Peak – think it’s been referred to as the Cataract lift. Can’t imagine they’d start with West Bowl, assuming the permits are even in place for it.

      For Stowe, my suspicion is that they’ll give some love to the Toll Road area in order to reduce crowding in the Mansfield Lodge area from an access/egress perspective. Maybe include a mid-station for lapping beginner terrain near the Toll House. But Lookout (vs Mountain) would be the choice among the two you mentioned given the terrain mix.

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      • Max Hart December 2, 2019 / 4:11 pm

        The Sunbowl upgrade took place 5 years ago…


        • Mike B December 2, 2019 / 5:51 pm

          Indeed it did. My bad.

          IIRC, the old FG quad is still in storage, so the part of the plan involving its relocation to North Peak may come to pass.

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    • Carleton December 2, 2019 / 7:55 pm

      I’m guessing that the Peak Resorts acquisition makes the Sunapee West Bowl expansion unnecessary, even though it is approved. They now have three other ski areas in NH and more in VT. If people want something bigger than Sunapee, then they will steer them to another larger area in the region. They may still do the North Peak triple replacement and Cataract lift, but that may be it. As for Stowe – a Toll Road high speed replacement would make that area more useful/popular. Lookout should probably be a fixed grip carpet loading quad, giving them something that might be less susceptible to wind, when the FourRunner is down for that reason. Of course, I thought Stowe would get something in last year’s announcement…. Stowe and Sunapee may also just get base lodge remodels this year… Okemo could also use a whole base lodge/plaza renewal…

      Other possibilities might include the long rumored Mount Snow Sunbrook HSQ, and an Atitash Summit Triple replacement – but I’m guessing these may need to wait a couple more years- after all, Vail wasn’t promising a whole lot of immediate investment in the Peak Resorts….


      • Donald Reif December 2, 2019 / 8:49 pm

        With Stowe, they should upgrade Lookout or Mountain to a high speed quad to supplement FourRunner. Preferably Lookout, since Mountain is a triple chairlift. Or replace both with a single high speed quad running from the bottom of Mountain to the top of Lookout.


        • Carleton December 3, 2019 / 1:34 pm

          Mountain Triple is useful as it is, when there are wind holds, it can be the only thing open on that side of Stowe. They could replace FourRunner with SixRunner :-) and move FourRunner over to Lookout….


        • Donald Reif December 3, 2019 / 2:27 pm

          FourRunner should stay as is. I think the reason they went for keeping FourRunner as a high speed quad when the old lift was replaced was that a quad minimizes overcrowding on the trails. For busy days, Lookout exists to take some traffic off of FourRunner. A high speed quad replacing Lookout would be accomplishing a similar effect to what Breck accomplished when they built a second high speed quad on Peak 9 to complement the Beaver Run SuperChair.

          In this case, it would be that FourRunner is used for everything from Starr through Nosedive, while Lookout gets used for everything from Starr on south to Tyro.


        • xlr8r December 3, 2019 / 5:23 pm

          I would prefer Mountain Triple being replaced with a HSQ and Lookout remaining as is. My reasoning is that for intermediates, Lookout and Fourunner serve the same 2 trails which already get skied off very quick. Replacing Lookout with a HSQ will cause Lord and Sunrise to get skied off even quicker, and make the intersection of Lord and Haychute more dangerous. To me it would be better to leave Lookout as is as a secondary lift that is mostly used by experts. Where the Mountain Triple which serves mostly intermediate trails and the terrain parks would be a better lift to replace with a HSQ. This will help segregate the intermediates from the advanced/experts on Mansfield. I understand this might be unlikely due to Lookouts age compared to Mountain.

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        • Donald Reif January 20, 2020 / 10:41 am

          Lookout reaches more terrain than Mountain. And has the more impressive climb.


        • Mike B January 29, 2020 / 11:30 pm

          Donald Reif – I think you’re off base here if you’re going by the trail map and some pictures. The installation of a DC4 in 2011 is likely b/c Stowe’s then parent AIG was still working through the aftermath of its meltdown during the recession and there were not in a place to spend the extra cash. Upgrading Forerunner to a D6C makes a ton of sense b/c it allows you to really use Lookout only when needed (cheaper ops – if Lookout is D4C you have to run both all the time) and could in theory run just that lift to serve everything on the Mansfield side. You don’t need the extra capacity on Lookout for reasons mentioned above, no matter how impressive the climb might be, and you sure don’t want to put even more traffic on Lord.

          With the amount of intermediate terrain in the Mountain Triple pod, that’s where it would be much smarter to lean in and move Forerunner, as that’s a much bigger slice of the market. Moreover, with the likelihood that Vail is going to substantially revamp and enlarge the Toll House portal to alleviate crowding on 108/Mansfield Lodge, it will be important to have great lift capacity on the east side of the mountain to enable better access.

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        • Donald Reif January 30, 2020 / 10:49 am

          Again, I still doubt they’re ever going to move the existing FourRunner. A second high speed quad would do just as fine, either on Lookout or on Mountain. You’d still get about 5,000 to 5,600 pph uphill capacity, and something like the parallel high speed quads on Peak 9.


        • Mike B January 30, 2020 / 1:04 pm

          That’s fair. It’s pure speculation as to whether Forerunner is upgraded. What really shouldn’t be in dispute is the logic behind choosing the next lift to be upgraded on the Mansfield side. Everything points to Mountain being the one (though perhaps after Toll House gets done) I’ll be shocked if Lookout is ever upgraded frankly.


  26. کلایمر January 6, 2020 / 6:01 am

    Wonder if one wasatch will ever come. Highly doubtful the pc/brighton link will ever happen now with vail and alterra, but I wonder if the cottonwoods will link up.


  27. Billy B. January 12, 2020 / 8:11 pm

    Beer can tram at the Yellowstone Club…?


    • powderforever45 January 12, 2020 / 8:16 pm

      I wonder where that would go.


      • Teddy's Lift World January 13, 2020 / 10:18 am

        I could see it possibly extending to the top of Eglise Rock or to serve some terrain near Mountain.


  28. gavin January 13, 2020 / 10:02 pm

    Although Im happy to see Powder Monkey at Snowshoe getting upgraded, it would be great to see a detachable in Silver Creek to revitalize the area and spread more skiers out. I also want to see more terrain on Western Territory.


  29. Reece January 22, 2020 / 6:56 pm

    Does anyone know of any future developments at Kelly Canyon Ski Resort or Pebble Creek? I’ve heard rumors of Grand Targhee offering them a quad lift.


  30. mzg February 3, 2020 / 7:59 pm

    Timberline is going with Doppelmayr for their new lift


  31. Peter D. February 10, 2020 / 11:04 pm

    Is the Pandora expansion or Lift 1 replacement ever gonna happen at Aspen Mountain?


    • Mike B February 11, 2020 / 11:24 am

      I think they’ll both happen, but the Lift 1 replacement is the more likely of the two. While the negotiations with the landowners at the base are Byzantine, there is an overall forcing mechanism in the form of FIS requirements to swap that chair out in order for Aspen to continue hosting World Cup events.

      Pandora is completely discretionary, and is now apparently running into some county zoning issues, so that might take some time to work through.


  32. skitheeast February 18, 2020 / 1:28 pm

    From what I have heard, Alterra is announcing their 2020 investment plan either March 2 or 9.

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    • skitheeast February 18, 2020 / 9:52 pm

      As a side note, final Alterra lift predictions: 16 upgrade at Mammoth (even though I personally think 1 is needed more), Red Dog upgrade and the start of the California Gondola at Squaw Alpine (the low snow this year allows for a longer construction season, but the gondola may take two years), Sunrise upgrade at Solitude, Powder Monkey upgrade at Snowshoe, and Rainer upgrade at Crystal (most unlikely to happen, but they need to show serious investment in Crystal after this messy season).


  33. jcpierce05 February 18, 2020 / 2:01 pm

    I heard from Keystone Lift Maintainece that Leitner Poma is building the new Peru Express.

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    • BarkeeStone February 18, 2020 / 5:38 pm

      So your saying that Leitner poma will build the new Peru Express instead of doppy?


    • Donald Reif February 18, 2020 / 6:45 pm

      Makes sense to me. Leitner-Poma built the Montezuma Express lift as well. Will be interesting to see if they keep the bottom terminal in the same location or move it a little ways north.

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      • jcpierce05 February 24, 2020 / 9:57 am

        I hope they add some dirt and grade the top of Peru a bit so you don’t have to hike to get to I-70 and Go Devil.


  34. Reece February 20, 2020 / 9:11 pm

    If I remember this correctly, Grand Targhee is planning an installation the peaked chairlift in the summer of 2020, 2021 or 2022. It will be a high speed quad but I don’t think they’ve decided what brand


  35. skitheeast March 2, 2020 / 2:15 pm

    Copper is supposedly announcing its 2020 improvements, which will most likely not include lifts and center around Solitude Station 2.0, within the next week. Killington/Pico will do the same by the end of the month and they will also be centered around a new lodge (K-1), but I would not be surprised if a detachable six-pack replacement for Superstar is announced.

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  36. reaperskier March 22, 2020 / 9:43 am

    Where is the quad chair coming to mount baldy being relocated from? and what manufacturer is it?


    • Peter Landsman March 22, 2020 / 9:44 am

      I do not know. They said it’s in their parking lot already.


    • Peter Landsman March 22, 2020 / 2:38 pm

      And just like that they got back to me. It is from Mt. St. Louis Moonstone, likely the former Venture quad.

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      • reaperskier March 22, 2020 / 2:41 pm

        That would be a BM Lifts quad chair.


        • Andy March 22, 2020 / 5:02 pm

          Venture at Mount St Louis Moonstone stood as a very lightly used lift since it was built in 1993 , and in later years as a mostly unused lift. The Adventure Express went in beside it ( on the left facing the hill) in 1996 and the Promenade Express went in on the right hand side in 1999, so the past few decades the Venture Quad did not spin very much. Mount Baldy got a great deal, buying such a low mileage lift. .

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        • reaperskier March 22, 2020 / 5:15 pm

          It was actually built in 1983 iirc


      • Andy March 23, 2020 / 7:30 am

        1983 built date on Venture at Moonstone makes better sense than the 1993 date I quoted. That would be the year before Mount St. Louis bought its neighbour, Moonstone and combined the two ski hills.

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  37. Kirk March 23, 2020 / 9:02 pm

    Will be interesting to see in the coming weeks how many new lifts for 2020 will be deleted from the list. Rumor has it 2 new lifts scheduled for California have been canceled.

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    • powderforever45 March 24, 2020 / 8:54 am

      Do you think it will be mammoth?


      • Kirk March 24, 2020 / 9:54 am

        Sounds like most Alterra Capital projects may be on hold for a while.


  38. afski722 March 24, 2020 / 5:21 pm

    I’m curious because at what point have they already started to make deposits/payments on the new lifts, in particular for the engineering work, and at what point do they start to fabricate and manufacture components.

    There are likely several projects that won’t proceed for Summer 2020 at this point with how this is impacting not just the ski industry but every aspect of the global economy.

    Vail Resorts indicated they are reviewing their capital spend as well. Some of those projects seem more likely to put on hold than others, in particular the Beaver Creek new lifts/terrain expansion and even the Keystone Peru replacement.


    • Donald Reif March 24, 2020 / 7:05 pm

      The Peru Express upgrade could end up happening alongside the Bergman Bowl lift.

      The Breck infill lift is probably on the fence.


      • Kirk March 24, 2020 / 7:14 pm

        Sounds like most of the manufacturing in Europe is shut down. Components coming out of Europe and Asia to the US could even have a longer delay than usual ?? Lift components and Wire ropes from Europe and carriers from Thailand??


    • Kirk March 24, 2020 / 7:53 pm

      It’s common even in good times for a lift manufacture to hold a deposit for future use.


  39. cummins93hd March 24, 2020 / 9:52 pm

    Is Great Divide Montana not installing their new chairlift for this summer? Because parts have already came in for the new one such as the motor room. If anyone knows where it was before let me know.


  40. mzg March 31, 2020 / 8:34 pm

    Isn’t Snowshoe installing a new Powder Monkey fixed 4 person lift this summer?


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