2023 New Lifts

This is a list of new lifts likely to be built in the United States and Canada during the 2023 construction season.  Last updated 1/19/2022. Have an addition or correction? Comment below or email Peter@liftblog.com.

Blue = Doppelmayr
Yellow = Leitner-Poma
Green = Skytrac
Red = MND Ropeways
Purple = Partek
Orange = SkyTrans
Gray = Re-installations (used lifts)
White = To be announced

ATW = Aerial Tramway
CL = Chairlift
G = Gondola
SL = Surface lift
D = Detachable
F = Fixed grip
M = Monocable
P = Pulse
J = Jigback

51 thoughts on “2023 New Lifts

  1. Myles Svec September 12, 2021 / 12:52 pm

    Anyone have any info on what the skytrac and the MND in the spreadsheet will be?

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  2. Donald Reif September 12, 2021 / 8:45 pm

    Shouldn’t Wild Blue Stage II be on the 2022 list?

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    • Peter Landsman September 12, 2021 / 9:43 pm

      I listened to the tram board meeting and the timeline sounded uncertain. The lower section and possibly the lower terminal of the second section are being installed in 2022. The rest of the second section is looking more like 2023 but that is subject to change. It’s a massive project.

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      • Cole R October 17, 2021 / 7:30 pm

        Hi Peter how do we know that the wild blue gondola will be a d line?

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        • Myles Svec October 18, 2021 / 6:31 am

          Based on renderings provided by the Colorado Tramway Board, we can safely say it will be d line.

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    • Peter Landsman September 22, 2021 / 7:26 pm

      Signs in the Steamboat Village now clearly state Wild Blue Stage II is a 2023 project along with the Pioneer Ridge lift. The Christie Peak Express bottom terminal looks to be moving to the other side of the Mountain Coaster next year which will require moving 6 towers and significantly modifying the angle station to be sharper. Or maybe they will get rid of the angle station, move all the towers and run the thing straight to Christie Peak. Preview probably also has to go. Not sure about Christie III. What a mess!


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      • Collin Parsons September 22, 2021 / 9:36 pm

        They can’t run the Christie Peak Express straight to Christie Peak because there are houses in the way. I would think both Preview and Christie 3 get removed. An open question is which lifts will be added as part of the new beginner area. Wild Blue is going to be comparable in size to the Whistler Village Gondola. The second stage alone is longer than the current gondola, by a lot. Hopefully it gets an hourly capacity of 4000 and a speed of 7 m/sec. I think it is going to have much higher ridership than the current gondola because it will take you all the way to the top. It will be exciting to watch all of this be implemented. Hopefully it all stays on schedule.

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        • Myles Svec September 23, 2021 / 6:20 am

          Preview is going to get removed when the first rage of Wild Blue goes in. Not sure about Christie III although if Christie III weren’t removed Wild Blue would have to cross over it.

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        • Peter Landsman September 23, 2021 / 7:07 am

          It’s going to be 3,200 passengers per hour at 7 m/s with 10 passenger cabins.

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        • Thomas Jett October 17, 2021 / 9:17 pm

          Is this going to be the first 7 m/s monocable in North America?

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        • Myles Svec October 18, 2021 / 6:33 am

          Peter, do you know if capacity will be able to be increased on Wild blue in the future after it is built?

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      • argothor January 1, 2022 / 7:30 pm

        My understanding from all I’ve read is the Pioneer Ridge terrain expansion at this point does not include adding the new lift. It will include glade thinning, building the egress bridge across Burgess Creek and having a boundary egress run, but no lift – not yet. The lift is planned but the installation of it has been delayed until Wild Blue and other improvements have been completed. It could be 10 years before we see that lift becoming reality.

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        • Myles Svec January 1, 2022 / 9:19 pm

          I have heard from my friends that work at steamboat that some of the terrain has been cut already and will be ready to open next winter but no lift yet. The lift will be installed the next year in 2023 like the plan says. They have already cleared parts of center field and golf course if you know steamboat backcountry. The part that confuses me is in the base area signs say the expansion has only 550 acres when the website says it has 650.

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  3. HoodRacer September 15, 2021 / 2:47 pm

    Would love to see Mt. Hood Express happen in 2022. The Forest Service is set to approve the project in October because of the minimal environmental impact. Pucci @ Timberline was approved on a similar timeframe (from proposal to approval to construction) so I am still hopeful…

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  4. carletongebhardt September 15, 2021 / 3:05 pm

    In a podcast, I thought that Sugarloaf GM said that West Mountain Express would be a “signature lift”. Well that certainly changed…. It had sounded like they wanted to use the revamped Bullwinkle’s restaurant for weddings and conference space. But that’s not going to work well if they aren’t using an enclosed lift.

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    • Big Mountain September 19, 2021 / 5:45 pm

      The most unsurprising thing to happen this year.

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    • Anthony September 20, 2021 / 12:11 am

      Plenty of resorts do mountaintop weddings and other events (winter and summer!) without gondolas. You just need to download on the chairlift. 🤷‍♂️

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      • Utah Lost Ski Area Project September 20, 2021 / 4:46 pm

        I wonder if they might be using the gondola cabins they have from Big Sky (previously Park City). It was stated somewhere that the cabins were stored for a future lift at Sugarloaf. It could be that they are attempting to do something similar to Wildcat Mountain by adding gondola cabins in the summer.

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        • Thomas R White September 20, 2021 / 7:34 pm

          That is interesting. Those cabins have been at Loaf for years. The Wildcat like concept would work. They have a HSQ that they put the gondi cabins on.

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    • skitheeast September 21, 2021 / 12:45 pm

      Boyne also committed to not buying any more new detachable quads, only six and eight packs. If West Mountain will be a detachable quad, then perhaps it will reutilize Jordan Bowl at Sunday River? That lift is looking likely to be replaced by a detachable six in 2022, which would make a 2023 reinstallation at Sugarloaf well-timed.

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      • Big Mountain September 21, 2021 / 5:05 pm

        I don’t understand why Sunday River wants to replace Jordan Bowl more than Barker but, I think this is probably the most accurate outcome. I wonder if they will still do Barker at the same time but I highly doubt it.

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        • skitheeast September 21, 2021 / 7:46 pm

          I agree. I will admit that my experiences at Sunday River are more limited than some here, but Barker has been the biggest chokepoint at the resort during my visits in recent years. Jordan has usually been fine on my visits, but perhaps I have gotten lucky.

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        • carletongebhardt September 21, 2021 / 8:17 pm

          Barker does have some alternatives when it gets busy – Lock Triple, or continue down to Chondola. At Jordan there are no other alternatives. Although, they really don’t have that much terrain at Jordan to support a six pack. I agree that Barker should be first, but that’s my guess as to why it might not be.

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        • Big Mountain September 22, 2021 / 7:16 pm

          Relatively speaking Jordan needs an upgrade. Any weekend with decent snow that place is packed but, Barker is definitely in worse shape. Sunday River has serviced that line multiple times so who knows maybe we’ll get a double replacement.

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        • Collin Parsons September 22, 2021 / 9:17 pm

          If Jordan gets replaced with a signature lift, then I would assume that would also entail building a base area there. I’ve never skied there, so I don’t know which lift has the worst lines, just that Barker is in worse shape mechanically.

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        • skitheeast September 23, 2021 / 11:26 am

          The Jordan Hotel is the only thing over there at the moment. Sunday River really has no need for another base area, as they are fine with White Cap, South Ridge, and Barker. My only thought is that if they ever wanted to build a full pedestrian village like Whistler. Tremblant, or Palisades Tahoe, then Jordan would be a great place given the available land.

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        • Loafer December 7, 2021 / 9:51 am

          Jordan goes on wind hold too often and hotel guests have to be shuttled back. The 8-pack plan also includes mention of expanding the terrain over there. Way back in American Ski Co days there were plans for a new Jordan Village with thousands of condos and an entire new base area. Perhaps some of that will come to pass.

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      • Donald Reif October 18, 2021 / 6:56 pm

        They’re using Jordan Bowl to replace Barker. So I think they might reuse Swift Current.

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        • Lily October 27, 2021 / 8:23 am

          I don’t get why Sunday River hates Barker so much. I think the 8 person lift would have made much more sense there.

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        • Loafer December 7, 2021 / 9:49 am

          Parts of Swift Current arrived at Sugarloaf this week. Perhaps this will become the “West Mountain Express” listed above. Only 25 years young, so will still be one of the newer lifts at the Loaf!
          And yes, there are still a bunch of old Big Sky gondola cabins sitting in the woods around Sugarloaf.

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  5. skitheeast September 23, 2021 / 11:31 am

    Snowbasin just announced a large base redevelopment plan that includes a new beginner chairlift and upgraded Littlecat Express. They want Littlecat Express to be, “A multi-use lift with upload and download capabilities to serve both skiers and foot passengers,” which screams chondola to me. The plan is to have it all ready for Winter 2024, so there is a decent chance one of these lift installations happens in 2023.

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  6. Mason October 16, 2021 / 12:14 pm

    What about the new mayflower resort by deer valley with their 2023 lifts?

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  7. Doug October 28, 2021 / 8:38 am

    Surprised that Snowbird doesn’t have any lifts planned for Mary Ellen yet.

    Also, is One Wasatch stalled?

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    • skitheeast October 28, 2021 / 11:10 am

      There is a lot of waste in Mary Ellen Gulch from mining and other activities that Snowbird has been removing over the past couple of years in preparation for a lift. To be honest, I am surprised they are not done, but I am sure the lift will be installed within the next couple of years.

      One Wasatch has always been a concept, not a concrete plan. Three things are needed for its completion: Grizzly Gulch lifts, Guardsman Pass lifts, and Deer Valley/Park City allowing people to ski back and forth. Alta is planning to build a lift in Grizzly Gulch on its side and Solitude has expressed interest in a short Honeycomb lift on its end, so that connection is absolutely possible. As far as I am aware, Brighton has no plans to build the two lifts necessary in Guardsman Pass to connect itself to Park City. Park City and Deer Valley have existed side by side as neighbors for decades without allowing people to ski back and forth, so I do not see that changing in the near future. Perhaps if it was the last link they would come to some sort of agreement. Regardless, I am slightly optimistic about a LCC/BCC connection but pessimistic about everything else.

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      • pbropetech October 28, 2021 / 12:41 pm

        Disclaimer- I’ve only ever looked at Mary Ellen once, and it was late spring so there was still a bit of snow. However, from my experience in my hometown, which happens to have vacant lots absolutely full of mine waste, it’s difficult and expensive to remove. I’m actually not surprised Snowbird is taking some time to remove things there. They have other things to spend money on, I’m sure.

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  8. BarkeeStone December 2, 2021 / 3:20 pm

    So wait a minute. Aspen wants to add a chondola at their resort, but which lift is it gonna replace? The main gondola or Bell mountain?

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    • skitheeast December 2, 2021 / 3:29 pm

      Neither. It will be replacing Shadow Mountain.

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  9. skitheeast December 23, 2021 / 9:34 pm

    I could see Alterra finally build its first eight-pack in 2023 after Vail joins the party in 2022.

    Location rankings:

    1) Duncan Express at Tremblant: The liftline is long, the ride is cold, and the wait times are high. Plus, it will be 32 years old and give the north side a signature lift.

    2) Broadway Express at Mammoth: This lift is the workhorse of Mammoth, allowing it to open early and close late. The lines get long and Alterra admitted it needs to be replaced by announcing a six-pack here in 2020 before canceling the plans due to Covid. Given that Alterra chose to not do anything here in 2021 and has not mentioned much since I am inclined to believe that the six-pack could easily become eight.

    Unlikely for 2023 but eventually:

    1) Ursa Express at Stratton: Snow Bowl Express has done wonders with the lines here, but it can still get pretty bad. Plus, the lift has had mechanical issues in the past couple of years, so removing it and refurbishing it for reinstallment elsewhere would not be the worst idea. If it were not for the fact that the mountain has higher priorities (Tamarack upgrade, renovations of both Sun Bowl and Mid-Mountain, the construction of the Summit Lodge), it would be a possibility for 2023.

    2) Thunderhead or Storm Peak or Sundown at Steamboat: Sunshine will be alleviated with Sunshine II, so that leaves either Thunderhead, Storm Peak, or Sundown as congested detachable quads. I would argue Thunderhead would be the best place, but it is close. Steamboat is getting a lot already, so anything here would likely be later than 2023.

    3) TBD at Palisades Tahoe: Red Dog is getting a six-pack in 2022 and KT-22 is getting alleviated by the California Express Gondola. I feel as though Wa She Shu could be realigned as to have more of a purpose and receive an eight-pack upgrade. Gold Coast is also old enough (would be 24 in 2023) where it could be refurbished and moved elsewhere, and it certainly receives enough traffic to increase capacity. Skier flows will undoubtedly shift with the debut of the gondola and Red Dog upgrade, so perhaps a logical location will emerge upon completion. However, that would likely be beyond 2023.

    4) TBD at Winter Park: Winter Park has gotten a lot of love from Alterra, but there is no standout place to put an eight-pack at the moment. Super Gauge arguably needs it the most for capacity, and they could also remove the redundant Pony Express and/or Iron Horse in the process, but it is a pretty young machine. Pioneer is very old and needs replacement, but it is getting a six-pack in 2022. Elsewhere, I just cannot see Winter Park needing an eight-pack at the moment.

    5) TBD at Blue Mountain: I believe the L-Hill lift is still in the works, so that will come before anything else and likely be a six-pack to match the rest of the mountain. Once the existing six-packs are due for retirement, eight-packs make sense.

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    • Donald Reif December 23, 2021 / 10:06 pm

      Regarding which upper detachable at Steamboat gets the upgrade, I think the Sundown Express is the likelier one, since the Storm Peak Express is more geared towards advanced skiers..

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      • Myles Svec December 23, 2021 / 11:05 pm

        Storm Peak doesn’t need the extra capacity, it rarely has lines. Sundown I would say needs it most as it gets the longest lines at Steamboat. On the Storm Skiing podcast, COO Robert perlman said 8 passenger chairs are in play for steamboat future lifts. Wonder if they would go bubble though as some of steamboats lifts has had bubbles in the past.

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        • Utah Lost Ski Area Project December 24, 2021 / 2:18 pm

          From what I’ve heard, ASC never wanted bubbles on Storm Peak and Sundown. The bubbles had been ordered by the previous owner when ASC bought Steamboat. This resulted in improper maintenance for the bubbles which led to the bubbles themselves causing so many problems that it made more sense to remove them entirely.

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    • Somebody December 23, 2021 / 11:14 pm

      I agree with Tremblant and Mammoth, but I see Canyon and Broadway being replaced at the same time, just so they get the Yans off their hands, and since Canyon is a major lift. The carriers might end up making their way to June Mtn.

      Not sure what they’ll do at Ursa, since an 8 pack usually doesn’t actually improve effective capacity by much. I’d prefer a new alternate route up the mountain (perhaps a wind sheltered or surface lift, perhaps in the Kidderbrook area). The worst Ursa lines I wait in are the days where every other summit lift is on wind hold.

      Wa She Shu/Squaw One Express does what it needs to. It’s the backup to the funitel. Would it be more useful if it accessed Gold Coast/Emigrant? Yeah, definitely. Either way though, will people use a chairlift route up the mountain post-COVID? Probably not much. The lift runs through a valley itself which is windy and cold from my experience. Bubbles would go a long way to increasing ridership (but even then, would people use it over the funitel? Probably not). This lift didn’t even run much at all until last season.

      I don’t see a huge point in upgrading Gold Coast. That area has an insane amount of capacity with Gold Coast, Siberia and Big Blue all sharing parts of each others pods, with a combined capacity of nearly 8,000 pph.

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      • Utah Lost Ski Area Project December 24, 2021 / 2:31 pm

        Not sure why you think that 8 packs can’t make much of a difference when it comes to capacity. Most six packs can’t comfortably reach 3600 pph and both Doppelmayr and Leitner can build 4000 pph 8 packs. With URSA not running close to full speed, I would say that an 8 pack would be the most logical answer for a bottleneck area, but I haven’t skied Stratton and I don’t know much about the problems with URSA.

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      • skitheeast December 24, 2021 / 3:24 pm

        I agree Canyon and Broadway may be replaced at the same time, but I would personally only put an eight at Broadway and let Canyon have a six.

        Ursa rarely runs at its design speed, so a new identical lift alone would improve capacity. Having an eight-pack with the same 3600 capacity would improve actual capacity because the chair spacing would be a lot wider, allowing fewer stops. Even boosting the capacity to 3800 or 4000 would still have wider chair spacing and theoretically fewer stoppages. Honestly, Stratton/Alterra should just take a trip to fellow Ikon pass mountains Loon and/or Big Sky to see how they load Kanc8 and Ramcharger, as I think it works really well to have the loading carpet when the chairs are so wide.

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    • awconrad December 24, 2021 / 12:03 am

      Isn’t the Timber Express going in at Tremblant soon? I think that should spread out people a little more there and lessen the waits at other lifts such as Duncan.

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      • skitheeast December 24, 2021 / 3:13 pm

        Timber was originally scheduled to be installed last summer, but the pandemic delayed the project and it is unclear when it will occur. It should help move more people over to Soleil, but Tremblant has the traffic where it will likely still be busy elsewhere. As things stand right now, both south side detachable quads and Duncan Express could use a capacity boost. If they ever want to draw more people over to the Edge, they should also make that lift detachable (and cut more trails).

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  10. Donald Reif December 24, 2021 / 9:36 am

    I could see Breck considering a replacement for the Beaver Run SuperChair or Lift C on Peak 9 some time in the next few years. The former is now 31 years old, while Lift C being upgraded could move some lapping traffic away from the Mercury SuperChair (because most people lapping Peerless, Gold King and Volunteer are more likely to take Lower American back to the Mercury SuperChair and enjoy that lift’s 7.5 minute ride time rather than endure the 12 minute ride on Lift C when it runs).

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  11. ThisSnowyKid January 10, 2022 / 8:18 am

    where is the White Peaks T-bar going to be put in?

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