This is a list of new lifts likely to be built in the United States and Canada during the 2023 construction season. Last updated 3/26/2023. Have an addition or correction? Comment below or email Peter@liftblog.com.
Blue = Doppelmayr
Yellow = Leitner-Poma
Green = Skytrac
Red = MND
Purple = Partek
Orange = SkyTrans
Gray = Re-installations (used lifts)
White = To be announced
ATW = Aerial Tramway
CL = Chairlift
G = Gondola
SL = Surface lift
D = Detachable
F = Fixed grip
M = Monocable
P = Pulse
J = Jigback
New high speed six pack announced for Snowbasin.
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Is Doppelmayr confirmed at Powder Monkey for 2023? If so, I’m going to be very happy
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Lift 4 detachable at Taos… 👀
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It’s about time. Will make lapping Kachina Peak a lot quicker!
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That’s sad to see Lift 4 go but its old but newer than the one in Santa Fe
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A new Leitner-Poma J-bar (Golden Horn) should be built at Aspen Highlands in 2023.
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Any information out there about the “Swiss cord” surface lift being built very soon at Sunrise in AZ? It’s been hard to find any details online about the specifics and how this type of lift differs from a normal rope tow or cable tow.
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I think “Swiss Cord” is just a fancy name for a normal rope tow, but I could be wrong
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Any idea what the alignment of the new knob chair at marmot will be? Cannot find any info online. It will be nice to see a new chair there, the knob was very, very, very, slow
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I think the Demoisy Express is still missing from the database here.
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It’s definitely on there
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My mistake. I obviously don’t know how to read tonight..
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Happens to the best of us
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Sounds like Mammoth 1 has been postponed again due to manufacturer supply constraints. Canyon is still 2023 and D-Line.
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Everyone is booked solid for next year so its really unlikely that either manufacturer could handle another big 6-pack like Chair 1 but I also think that the main lodge rebuild is making them think twice about where to put it.
For context, Mammoth is planning a huge rebuild of the Main Lodge area, including:
– Tearing down the existing main lodge and replacing it (its really old…)
– Building a new village behind Main Lodge
– Rerouting the main road around said village (it goes right between bottom of 1 and bottom gondola)
– Replacing Gondola 1&2
– Building a separate ops building and employee parking around the bend.
Its a huge long-term plan for the area and I think that until all the permits are done and on the books they don’t want to sink money into replacing their primary out-of-base lift at Main until they are sure they won’t get it yanked at the last minute a-la-park city. I know there’s a land swap with the forest service over this but don’t know where that’s at. Mammoth also had some teeth-gnashing about Chair 16 because the new alignment impacts some white bark pine trees (which are endangered now) and that took a while to get cleared which is why only limited prep work for 16 was done this year.
Chair 16 is super important too because its the main lift out of Canyon Lodge but Canyon doesn’t usually open until just before the holidays so it has a little more wiggle room for delays , but a new chair 1 HAS to be ready by October to open the mountain on-time.
Both lifts are Doppel-Yans and they both 10-60 all the time but I guess they’d rather put up with Chair 1’s problems for a few more years than risk getting construction delayed for whatever reason(s) in 2023.
Granted not an apples-to-apples comparison since Mammoth is exclusively on USFS land and Park City isn’t but until the Main Lodge plans are fully fleshed-out they’re wary of being tied up in permitting on short notice.
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This is well said, and I think likely very accurate. I’d add that even if/when Chair 1 goes down, you still have the gondola and Ch 6 to provide a decent measure of capacity on roughly the same line. No such option for Ch 16 unless you want to do the Ch 17>4 two-step. The focus on the Main Lodge Village is also likely why things have gone really quiet on the plans centered around Eagle, including a new lodge and two-stage gondola from the top of 15 up towards Dave’s. That was always going to take a while to play out, but it has most certainly moved to the back of the line until the Main Lodge investment is well underway.
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Yeah eagle lodge’s “upgrades” have been kicked down the road for 20+ years at this point so I doubt that’s happening anytime soon, we’re stuck with the igloos until Main is fully rebuilt. 15 can get pretty backed up because its the only lift up from there, but I think the master plan had ideas for another lift out of eagle to get you to 25 or a trail back to canyon?
I would LOVE to see an eagle-to-summit gondola someday because it would make lapping Mammoths full 3000+ ft vertical a snap but that would probably add too much congestion to Eagle and beginners would have nowhere to go at the summit except for Roadrunner, which already gets crowded since its a skinny cat track. Midstation at top of 10 could work though since beginners can get off there and there’s mellower trail options from there.
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@MammothBOT98 I don’t think I’ve seen any plans with that second lift out of Eagle that went above Lake Mary Rd, so no ability to access Canyon from there. Wouldn’t be a bad idea in that it would relieve crowding and provide redundancy if 15 ever goes down. If I were them, I’d actually put a gondola starting there (not at the top of 15 where the master plan had it) and make it a two-stager with the second stage terminating at the top of 10. This would help get people out in the morning and you don’t really need a chair that badly b/c 15 isn’t a great lapping lift, particularly if they put in that dedicated beginner area in the plan (though that should extend to the base of current 25 and not just halfway like in the plan). It would also provide direct access to 5, 2, and 10, effectively enabling access to the whole mountain with 1 or 2 lift rides. Certainly no need to run it up to the summit and put more beginners in peril. Then you could move that 6 pack to somewhere it’s needed more – 1, 2, or 10 come to mind. Perhaps the new 25 alignment (per master plan) running from base of 9 to current summit terminal.
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That’s such a shame Canyon is going ahead while Broadway is on hold. If they could only complete one for next year, I would have it be Broadway due to its heavier usage, especially during low snow years.
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Nah, 16 is much more important. It’s the main out-of-base lift for Canyon Lodge, which is in turn the busiest lodge (it’s the starting point for about half of all the mountain’s skiers when it’s open). It’s also the only out-of-base lift at Canyon that provides direct access to chairs 2 and 10, which are the workhorses for moving across the mountain. It needs a lot more capacity than 1 does in the short term.
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Hard agree. And don’t forget direct access to 5 as well, which is a popular lift in its own right.
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Kind of wild that Vail only appears to have two completely new projects this summer, when you remove Bergman at Keystone (a carryover) and the Whistler lifts which were originally going to Park City. Any others that I missed?
Gonna be a really great year for indy resorts.
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There is also a fixed grip Skytrac quad that is going on Kehr’s at Stevens Pass which is an entirely new project in addition to 5 at Breck and mountaineer at Attaish.
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Soooo…three.
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Vail holds a lot of responsibility for the situation. By ordering 21 lifts for 2022 out of nowhere and filling up the available slots, many of the resorts who wanted lifts in 2022 were forced to wait until 2023. Seeing the 2023 backlog starting to fill then caused other resorts who were contemplating future projects to go ahead and reserve a 2023 lift. Now, 2023 is filled and resorts who wanted lifts in 2023 are reserving them for 2024. It will take an economic hit to the industry to break this cycle at this point.
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I think it is safe to assume that the Thunder lift planned to be installed at Berkshire East will be a used Poma triple, as there are parts for one in the back of their parking lot. This includes towers, sheave assembly’s, and other no brainers that give it away.
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Can you tell whether it is an Alpha or Delta model?
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It’s the current Mountain Top triple, which it was the old B lift at now abandoned Ski Rio, so it is a bottom Delta drive.
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I believe a while ago I found an image of the lift prior to its removal. The suspected lift was at a defunct ski area in Ontario. What stumped me was the fact that the lift appeared to be neither an alpha nor a delta. If I can find the image, I will add it to this page.
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I ended up finding the image. I’m going to assume it is a delta with a different enclosure up top: https://ontarioskilifts.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/unadjustednonraw_thumb_277.jpg
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I agree, I think it’s probably a prototype version of the Delta. The double at Saskadena Six, VT has a similar-looking terminal:
https://skiliftblog.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/img_5025.jpg?w=1988&h=1492
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It appears to be a hybrid of the Delta with the tension rails of an Alpha. My Delta (1981) has the motor room mounted on a pair of 20-metre I-beams, and the hold-down portal assemblies hung from the same. All move as one unit. These examples appear to have the motor room enclosure rolling separately on a pair of fixed carriage rails, and the hold-down assemblies don’t seem to move with the motor room.
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That would be the famous Lumberjack lift with 1st gen Poma falcon chairs and towers without lifting frames.
It’s a COOL lift!!
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First-generation *Arceaux* carriers- once again I will point out that just because someone called them that on skilifts.org does not mean that that was their actual name. But yes, it’s a cool lift, and I’m not just saying that because I maintain it :)
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There is also a chance that it would be a prototype to the Alpha, due to the age of the lift (the website I got the image from says 1983, so 40 years old). Does anyone know what year was the Delta discontinued???
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Idk what year it was discontinued, but Crested Butte has two 1983 Deltas (Gold Link/Painter Boy)
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1983 was the last year for the Delta. Three Alpha prototypes were also built during that year; two of them have been relocated but they are all still operating. They looked a lot different from the photo of the lift from Ontario, which I now think is a variation of the Delta model.
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What are the odds Silverton’s new lift actually gets built this summer?
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Where did you hear that Silverton was getting a new lift?
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They sent an email blast out. I got it in my inbox
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What is it going to be?
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They sent the email out on Feb 6th. It doesn’t say anything about specs, new/used, or manufacturer. There is a drawing of the lift line. It starts next to the creek east of the unload for the current chair. It unloads on the ridge to the east.
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They say “as early as next summer” so it doesn’t seem like it’s a sure thing. They also say they’re “seeking investors” which to me sounds like they don’t have funding yet for it.
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Lift line should be something like this
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My guess is they have a lift and the timing to get it up and running depends on weather and employees. There’s lots of snow at that altitude and they’d have to wait for it to go away, then the steepness and lack of roads would require extra time and energy to get the lift line cleared and ready for lift placement. I’m guessing due to weather it be hard to schedule the actual start/end dates.
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Will the tram at Sterling Vineyards run in a triangle like the current one?
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Yes
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Since it has multiple stations.
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Is D-Line Crest Express at Brighton still happening? There has been no announcement about it.
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It’s not abnormal for the announcement to come later in the current ski season, as long as the lift has been ordered from the manufacturer. Peter every year has to tweet that it isn’t a good idea to announce a new project on April 1st.
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Any news on the Seymour lift? Replacing Lodge/Brockton or a new lift?
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I think one of the doubles is being replaced. Probably Lodge. Trying to get more details.
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Any auto-bars this year, Peter?
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Omg I cannot wait for the first chairlift in the east with LPA quad chairs! (Although Gore will most likely go with Omega chairs because they have alot of them)
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I just read an article saying the recycled triple Segundo lift at Sunlight will be installed in 2024. Concrete work is planned for this summer and the assembly of the actual lift is scheduled for summer 2024. Next season will be Segundo’s 70th season although the lift has only been at Sunlight for the past 50 seasons.
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Where is the new quad at Tremblant going?
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Not sure the exact location, but I think it’s a real-estate access lift going in somewhere to the looker’s right of Portes du Soleil
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Are the two new Taos lifts a sure thing or more of a “most likely?”
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I think a for sure thing since Pioneer, a used Yan triple from Deer Valley is getting replaced with a new Leitner Poma triple and Lift 4 (one of the best Poma quad chairlifts I have seen) is getting replaced with a Leitner Poma detachable for the season. Eventually, lifts 2 and 8, are getting replaced in the near future possibly in between 2024 and 2034 with a base to base gondola (that’s what I heard). Sad to se 2, 4, and 8 chairs getting replaced. I am a fan of Poma falcon quad chairs.
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Yeah I saw that in the database. My question was more of whether there had been an official announcement, or if Peter had confirmed with a manufacturer or something? As much as you and I can see and hear and rumour and deduce, we can assume they’re happening, but until Peter writes an article on it, Taos has a press release on it, or we can visually see construction occurring, we can’t be certain, especially in today’s market.
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Is the old Jordan quad going in at Pleasant/Shawnee this summer? Still haven’t heard anything official nor is it on this list after the Barker 6 announcement.
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Peter, where did you happen to hear about the new lift at buck hill going in this summer? I am a bit surprised about this
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He often gets his information directly from the resorts or the manufacturers themselves.
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Ski Lakeridge in Ontario will be getting the old Adventure Express 6-CLD from Moonstone. To be removed from Moonstone in April 2023.
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Awesome news. Do you know the timeline for installation at Lakeridge?
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