The stats provided are direct from the manufacturer, or from SAM surveys. A lot of older lifts on the SAM surveys have rounded/exaggerated information.
The old black chair was named Blue Chair when it was first installed because the Pohlig triple chairs were blue. When it was retrofitted in 1985 with Yan triple chairs, it was renamed (and repainted) Black Chair. The old Sun Corner and Green chairs were left standing from 1991 until 1995, when they were sold to Berkshire East (where it operated as the Summit triple) and Mt. Tom (which went out of business in 1998), respectively. The T-Bar you have listed was named Showoff T-Bar because it ran up the Showoff trail. It was also the only lift on opening day in 1960.
As for the Timberside lifts, they were both constructed when Timber Ridge was a separate ski area. The Timberside T-Bar listed was known as the Tempest T-Bar, later Timber T-Bar under Magic, and was the first lift at Timber Ridge. I am pretty sure it continued to run through Magic’s closing in 1991 and that it is still partially standing. The Timberside double listed was known as Showcase Chair, later Timber Chair under Magic, and it was left standing for only one year after liquidation until it was sold to Smuggler’s Notch in 1992, where it operates as Mogul Mouse’s Magic.
We do actually have a picture of the triple chairs when they were at Killington, although I can’t tell what color they were because the image is very low quality.
I would put my money on those being silver/gray, since I’m pretty sure most of Killington’s chairs were the same way during that era. Could be wrong though.
Magic had recently Tweeted that the spliced cable on the new lift was going to be magneticly tested. Magnetic inductive testing of cables is designed to ensure safety of aerial cableways by detecting wire fractures caused by wear and corrosion to carrying, traction and hoisting cables. … Usually the decision as to whether a cable can continue in service is decided on the basis of radiography images.
I am really hoping they are able to get the lift running by Christmastime. Magic is typically strained for lift capacity on busy days, especially when one of their lifts goes down, and that will only be heightened given the restrictions in place this season. Having the quad operate will be a real asset to their operations.
Yeah, as for my knowledge its just a matter of getting the chairs altogether, whatever loading/unloading setups they need to make and getting it tested. With the quad running, even with Covid (2 on a quad 1 on a double) they will have more capacity to the summit than they had before.
Did a bit of research, the Borvig T Bar was called the Timber T-Bar (Originally named the Tempest T-Bar during the Timber Ridge days), and while I’m not sure when it was removed, it was not in the 70s, as it appeared on the Magic + Timberside joint trail map from the late 80s. Apparently, it wasn’t sold when Magic was liquidated in the 90s but was removed after that (it isn’t around any longer). https://skimap.org/data/201/2200/1455040916.jpeg
Sun Corner was installed in 1987. It only ran for six seasons at Magic, as the area was liquidated after its closure in 1993. The lift was removed from Magic in 1995 and installed at Berkshire East, MA that same year as the Summit Triple. It ran at Berkshire East until summer 2014 when it was replaced with a SkyTrac Quad. It was reinstalled again in 2018, this time at newly-acquired sister ski area Catamount, MA as the Promenade Triple. Also noteworthy is the fact that Sun Corner was originally bound for Tenney, NH as a 1986 installation, but lawsuits regarding towers halted the installation (Borvig would later finish the Eclipse Triple in 1987, hence why that mostly Borvig lift has Poma towers).
The Green Chair currently runs on Sun Corner’s alignment.
More on the closure, it was largely caused by mismanagement regarding the Timberside expansion coupled with bad winters. The connector trails didn’t have snowmaking, so the areas were often left disconnected. The connector trails are one reason why Timberside will most likely never return, combined with Timberside’s relatively small trail network with comparatively mellow terrain, not much over there that Magic really wants or needs.
Magic at the time didn’t have quite the same character, with Magic in the 80s being pretty similar to Bromley and Stratton. Simon Oren’s ownership group which bought the ski area from Hans Thorner in the mid-80s and ran it until the 1991 closure wanted Magic to overtake Stratton and become Southern Vermont’s destination resort, but he couldn’t do such a thing, hence its closure. Magic today makes money by being somewhat different from the “status quo” of Stratton and Bromley, in that it’s one of the only places south of Rutland that lets most of its terrain bump up, doesn’t have high-speed lifts, etc. Given that they likely make most of their skiing revenue through expert skiers today, I see it unlikely that they would make a massive investment to cater to a demographic that would likely rather ski Bromley or Stratton anyways.
Dont mind me just testing something out…might have found a solution to the google sheets error thing (sorry if u thought I was contributing something important lol)
It is – they are currently in the process of removing all chairs and inspecting sheaves before replacing the haul rope and putting it all back together again, grips going through NDT in the meantime. Opening date will likely be changed once the lift actually opens. https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=668493395314742&set=ecnf.100064622626466
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Red should have more vert than black, it ends higher, and the two chairs start at the same place.
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The stats provided are direct from the manufacturer, or from SAM surveys. A lot of older lifts on the SAM surveys have rounded/exaggerated information.
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The old black chair was named Blue Chair when it was first installed because the Pohlig triple chairs were blue. When it was retrofitted in 1985 with Yan triple chairs, it was renamed (and repainted) Black Chair. The old Sun Corner and Green chairs were left standing from 1991 until 1995, when they were sold to Berkshire East (where it operated as the Summit triple) and Mt. Tom (which went out of business in 1998), respectively. The T-Bar you have listed was named Showoff T-Bar because it ran up the Showoff trail. It was also the only lift on opening day in 1960.
As for the Timberside lifts, they were both constructed when Timber Ridge was a separate ski area. The Timberside T-Bar listed was known as the Tempest T-Bar, later Timber T-Bar under Magic, and was the first lift at Timber Ridge. I am pretty sure it continued to run through Magic’s closing in 1991 and that it is still partially standing. The Timberside double listed was known as Showcase Chair, later Timber Chair under Magic, and it was left standing for only one year after liquidation until it was sold to Smuggler’s Notch in 1992, where it operates as Mogul Mouse’s Magic.
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We do actually have a picture of the triple chairs when they were at Killington, although I can’t tell what color they were because the image is very low quality.
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I would put my money on those being silver/gray, since I’m pretty sure most of Killington’s chairs were the same way during that era. Could be wrong though.
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NewEnglandSkiHistory posted another photo more recently. Chairs were black. The silvery/blue-ish/gray color came sometime in the early 90s.
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To be more specific, the silvery/blue-ish/gray color came between 1992-1994, as you can see in these photos of Northeast Passage:
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I should note that I made a typo. The original Blue Chair had Pohlig double chairs, not triple chairs. They were added in the 1985 Yan retrofit.
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Magic had recently Tweeted that the spliced cable on the new lift was going to be magneticly tested. Magnetic inductive testing of cables is designed to ensure safety of aerial cableways by detecting wire fractures caused by wear and corrosion to carrying, traction and hoisting cables. … Usually the decision as to whether a cable can continue in service is decided on the basis of radiography images.
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Black’s first chair is on the line!
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I am really hoping they are able to get the lift running by Christmastime. Magic is typically strained for lift capacity on busy days, especially when one of their lifts goes down, and that will only be heightened given the restrictions in place this season. Having the quad operate will be a real asset to their operations.
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Yeah, as for my knowledge its just a matter of getting the chairs altogether, whatever loading/unloading setups they need to make and getting it tested. With the quad running, even with Covid (2 on a quad 1 on a double) they will have more capacity to the summit than they had before.
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Something strange currently happening with Black Line. Is this some sort of installation procedure or is it just bad grip slippage?
https://forums.alpinezone.com/attachments/img_20210122_113013187-jpg.50140/
https://forums.alpinezone.com/attachments/img_20210122_113016669-jpg.50141/
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Can you post those january 22 photos in a place that we don’t have to log in to a forum in order to see them? thanks
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Try that, WordPress won’t allow me to upload any images directly
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Did a bit of research, the Borvig T Bar was called the Timber T-Bar (Originally named the Tempest T-Bar during the Timber Ridge days), and while I’m not sure when it was removed, it was not in the 70s, as it appeared on the Magic + Timberside joint trail map from the late 80s. Apparently, it wasn’t sold when Magic was liquidated in the 90s but was removed after that (it isn’t around any longer). https://skimap.org/data/201/2200/1455040916.jpeg
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Old Sun Corner Triple:
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Does anyone know why Sun Corner was removed so fast? If it was relocated where was it relocated to.
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Sun Corner was installed in 1987. It only ran for six seasons at Magic, as the area was liquidated after its closure in 1993. The lift was removed from Magic in 1995 and installed at Berkshire East, MA that same year as the Summit Triple. It ran at Berkshire East until summer 2014 when it was replaced with a SkyTrac Quad. It was reinstalled again in 2018, this time at newly-acquired sister ski area Catamount, MA as the Promenade Triple. Also noteworthy is the fact that Sun Corner was originally bound for Tenney, NH as a 1986 installation, but lawsuits regarding towers halted the installation (Borvig would later finish the Eclipse Triple in 1987, hence why that mostly Borvig lift has Poma towers).
The Green Chair currently runs on Sun Corner’s alignment.
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More on the closure, it was largely caused by mismanagement regarding the Timberside expansion coupled with bad winters. The connector trails didn’t have snowmaking, so the areas were often left disconnected. The connector trails are one reason why Timberside will most likely never return, combined with Timberside’s relatively small trail network with comparatively mellow terrain, not much over there that Magic really wants or needs.
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If Timberside was so out of character for Magic, why did they bother connecting the two in the first place?
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Magic at the time didn’t have quite the same character, with Magic in the 80s being pretty similar to Bromley and Stratton. Simon Oren’s ownership group which bought the ski area from Hans Thorner in the mid-80s and ran it until the 1991 closure wanted Magic to overtake Stratton and become Southern Vermont’s destination resort, but he couldn’t do such a thing, hence its closure. Magic today makes money by being somewhat different from the “status quo” of Stratton and Bromley, in that it’s one of the only places south of Rutland that lets most of its terrain bump up, doesn’t have high-speed lifts, etc. Given that they likely make most of their skiing revenue through expert skiers today, I see it unlikely that they would make a massive investment to cater to a demographic that would likely rather ski Bromley or Stratton anyways.
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Dont mind me just testing something out…might have found a solution to the google sheets error thing (sorry if u thought I was contributing something important lol)
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It says that black line is still under construction.
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It is – they are currently in the process of removing all chairs and inspecting sheaves before replacing the haul rope and putting it all back together again, grips going through NDT in the meantime. Opening date will likely be changed once the lift actually opens.
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=668493395314742&set=ecnf.100064622626466
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Black Line is running today!
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