This lift solved a major problem that plagued The Canyons for years, providing quick egress from the Tombstone area to Canyons Village.The return terminal is a Skytrac Peak model.Tombstone and Timberline both load nearby.There is a steep pitch up just after loading.View back towards Iron Mountain.Tower 6.Riding down near the middle of the ride.Combo assemblies on tower 9.Looking back at the middle part of the line.This land is private property and no skiing is allowed under the lift.The final breakover towers.Monarch drive terminal.Another view of the loading station.Lift overview.Towers 3 and 4 are attached.Flat part of the line.Canyons Village’s namesake Canyons.Arriving at the drive near the Red Pine Gondola.Unloading area, motor room and Skytrac operator house.
out of curiosity, if they had made this lift a hsq, mid at sunnyside, and gone to the base, with bi-directional loading how do you think that would have worked?
I think there’s space between OBX and the Gondola. Sunrise is an option too. (although right now it’s looking like the Sunrise Gondola thing is going to happen).
Any idea why this uses LPOA style sheaves instead of SkyTrac style sheaves? Considering the large amount of CTEC equipment at PCMR, I’m surprised they opted for LPOA style sheaves.
Oof. Now that you mention it, for sure! The bullwheel and the idler sheaves are mounted on the return terminal mast in a very similar fashion to the Orion terminal as well. It makes sense. . .guess I was just not paying attention.
The CTEC sheaves are still available; I would assume that since the LPOA sheaves come with sealed roller bearings and semprit liners standard for around the same price has caused them to become the more popular option, in fact, only one new Skytrac lift this season got the CTEC style sheaves.
Is there a reason why Park City went with SkyTrac for Over and Out, instead of Doppelmayr who had just built a Gondola and a Six pack for them in 2015?
Honestly, I am surprised they did not make this lift rideable in both directions for the future Sunrise high-speed lift. That would have enabled Sunrise skiers to bypass the long lines at Orange Bubble and Red Pine (assuming the new lift ends slightly higher up the mountain). Now, the only way for them to do that would be for Sunrise Express to end all the way up by Lookout Cabin and the Orange Bubble mid-station to access Sun Peak.
The idea of Over and Out was to give northbound skier traffic an alternate route to Tombstone. Making it a two way lift or gondola would’ve probably made lines at Tombstone worse.
Sunrise based skiers, like everyone else starting their day at the Canyons, have to use Tombstone/Timberline anyway to get to the middle of the resort or Park City side. A Sunrise-Over and Out connection would simply allow them to do so while bypassing the huge morning lines at Orange Bubble/Red Pine Gondola. The only way to reduce Tombstone’s traffic is to create a bypass lift from Red Pine Lodge to either the top of Tombstone or Fantasy Ridge so there is an alternate way across the resort.
The fastest way from North to South doesn’t require taking Tombstone. Rather, it involves taking Timberline to Iron Mountain then skiing down to Quicksilver.
Leitner Poma owns Skytrac and Leitner Poma builds detach lifts so I doubt it. I’m think eventually Leitner Poma will transfer all their fixed grip projects to skytrac and will only build detaches.
I disagree. Poma has built a reliable fixed-grip lift for decades, from the Deltas of the late 70s/early 80s through the (slight) variations of the Alphas, all using the Model 77 grip. There are many ski areas who will still want one.
Land under this chair is owned by the Osguthorpes, a farming family with a long history in Park City. Not sure what the current relations are between PCMR and them, but there was a legal battle in the past with the American Skiing Company (who was running the Canyons). The upcoming Sunrise gondola will also pass through their land. The terrain below this chair is low elevation and very brushy, would not be reliable skiing terrain anyways.
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out of curiosity, if they had made this lift a hsq, mid at sunnyside, and gone to the base, with bi-directional loading how do you think that would have worked?
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Not enough space for it to work out.
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I think there’s space between OBX and the Gondola. Sunrise is an option too. (although right now it’s looking like the Sunrise Gondola thing is going to happen).
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Any idea why this uses LPOA style sheaves instead of SkyTrac style sheaves? Considering the large amount of CTEC equipment at PCMR, I’m surprised they opted for LPOA style sheaves.
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How likely is it that SkyTrac has any CTEC left in them after being owned by LPOA for 3 construction seasons?
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I still see CTEC in those tower heads..
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Oof. Now that you mention it, for sure! The bullwheel and the idler sheaves are mounted on the return terminal mast in a very similar fashion to the Orion terminal as well. It makes sense. . .guess I was just not paying attention.
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Also controls.
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The CTEC sheaves are still available; I would assume that since the LPOA sheaves come with sealed roller bearings and semprit liners standard for around the same price has caused them to become the more popular option, in fact, only one new Skytrac lift this season got the CTEC style sheaves.
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Is there a reason why Park City went with SkyTrac for Over and Out, instead of Doppelmayr who had just built a Gondola and a Six pack for them in 2015?
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My guess is that maybe SkyTrac had a cheaper bid.
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Honestly, I am surprised they did not make this lift rideable in both directions for the future Sunrise high-speed lift. That would have enabled Sunrise skiers to bypass the long lines at Orange Bubble and Red Pine (assuming the new lift ends slightly higher up the mountain). Now, the only way for them to do that would be for Sunrise Express to end all the way up by Lookout Cabin and the Orange Bubble mid-station to access Sun Peak.
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The idea of Over and Out was to give northbound skier traffic an alternate route to Tombstone. Making it a two way lift or gondola would’ve probably made lines at Tombstone worse.
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Sunrise based skiers, like everyone else starting their day at the Canyons, have to use Tombstone/Timberline anyway to get to the middle of the resort or Park City side. A Sunrise-Over and Out connection would simply allow them to do so while bypassing the huge morning lines at Orange Bubble/Red Pine Gondola. The only way to reduce Tombstone’s traffic is to create a bypass lift from Red Pine Lodge to either the top of Tombstone or Fantasy Ridge so there is an alternate way across the resort.
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The fastest way from North to South doesn’t require taking Tombstone. Rather, it involves taking Timberline to Iron Mountain then skiing down to Quicksilver.
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Do you think that skytrac will ever have the technology to build their own detachable lift?
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Leitner Poma owns Skytrac and Leitner Poma builds detach lifts so I doubt it. I’m think eventually Leitner Poma will transfer all their fixed grip projects to skytrac and will only build detaches.
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I think I agree. Skytrac builds a great fixed grip and that is where they’ll stay.
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I disagree. Poma has built a reliable fixed-grip lift for decades, from the Deltas of the late 70s/early 80s through the (slight) variations of the Alphas, all using the Model 77 grip. There are many ski areas who will still want one.
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Agree with @PBROPETECH, LP fixed grip lifts are very good and are a competitive product, there is a market for them.
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Who owns the land below the lift here? Seems like some great skiing
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Land under this chair is owned by the Osguthorpes, a farming family with a long history in Park City. Not sure what the current relations are between PCMR and them, but there was a legal battle in the past with the American Skiing Company (who was running the Canyons). The upcoming Sunrise gondola will also pass through their land. The terrain below this chair is low elevation and very brushy, would not be reliable skiing terrain anyways.
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The upcoming Sunrise gondola will have to cross over this chair around the 12th tower.
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