Yan detachable with Doppelmayr equipment and Mammoth-supplied enclosure.Turnaround.Lift Engineering teardrop chairs with Doppelmayr grips and hangers.Tower 14.The breakover.Middle part of the line.Tower 2.Drive station.Side view of the top terminal.Doppelmayr Worldbook entry.
I don’t see any of that on Carpenter at Deer Valley (which was converted from a Yan, though unlike most of the Doppelmayr and Poma conversions, Garaventa CTEC completely replaced the terminals on Carpenter to do the conversion).
These were refitted Yan terminals, mind you. Of course, what sets these and June’s DoppelmaYans apart from most DoppelmaYans is that on the other DoppelmaYans, the terminals were essentially modified to take on the appearance of Spacejets with no underskin (like Sun Valley and Schweitzer), or outright replaced with new Spacejet terminals (Whistler).
Mammoth 16, 900 fpm, 90′ spacing @ 6.0 sec interval. Mammoth 1, 850 fpm, 85′ spacing @ 6.0 sec. Both 2400 pph. This data is from the 1996 Doppelmayr conversion.
An 8 would be nice, but at this point it needs _something_. Of course, my preference would be to turn the existing top terminal into a midstation and continue to the top of 5, or better yet, the top of Dave’s, but yeah yeah I know.
It did. Originally, Yan’s detach terminals were basically tunnels over the conveyor equipment with a fixed-grip motor room housing the drive equipment. The returns were even more low-profile with only weather coverings on the tire banks.
They weren’t all that different from the first generation of Doppelmayr’s UNI terminals (the ones seen on Keystone’s Outback Express, Ramcharger 4 prior to its reinstallation as Shedhorn 4, Skyliner at Mt. Bachelor, and so on).
Did anyone see even one piece of evidence that any preparatory work was done this season to prepare for this lift’s wholesale replacement next year? I was expecting to see new tower footings or, like, a tree or two cut down.
Yes, there is evidence of preparatory work done last summer for the new 16. The new top station will be closer to the top of 4 and thus they did a bit of work to get ready. Encore has been widened, and looks to be the new lift line. A number of trees were removed at the top of The Acts, opening the entrance up considerably. Before we got the 20 feet of snow in the last few weeks you could see a wooden stake at the top of The Acts that marked where a new tower is going in. That spot is pretty much where you used to enter the run on the left to avoid a wind stripped area. This is may not be an issue anymore as the removal of a small group of trees seemed to change the wind loading in the area.
Interesting! Does this mean they’re likely to get the chair out of the avy chutes completely? Looked like they have some clearance challenges over there with the heavy snow load this season.
Whenever I see a picture of an unmodified Yan Hsq I have to remind myself that they are actually old and from the 1980’s. Compared to what others were offering at the time, it is very easy to see why they were so popular. You could probably fit 2.5 Yan Hsq terminals into a single CLD-260, and poma was still using poma alpha terminals as main drives in the mid 80’s. Even later in the early 90’s, Doppelmayr’s early UNI-G was bigger (and in my opinion not as good looking) as the Yan Hsq terminal. Poma did not really have a uniform terminal in the early 1990’s as they were experimenting with the challenger terminal.
I feel like they should relocate one of the very used triples 7,8,20,21 to the top of cloud 9 going to the top of the dragon back area making it more accessible and easier to lap without going all the way to the gondola every time.
Yes that would be awesome but it should be accessible from cloud 9 and 5. I think the lift would most likely be chair 20 but I would still be happy if they built a t bar instead because they’re not much traffic at eagle. I think if mammoth has a goal of bringing people to eagle (shown from the unnecessary 6 packs) it would be a good way to uncroud the gondola and 23.
If I remember correctly, these terminal designs were all done in-house by the lift maintenance crew vs Doppelmayr. Same with the ones at June. It doesn’t make sense to me, but I can only assume it was cheaper.
There’s an old pic showing the J6 bottom terminal pre-modification and it was built in that style by Yan. Based on the look of the top terminal of Canyon, I bet that one was built looking that way too. But the other terminals on all of them were made to look like that when they were modified
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is it just me or does the line guage on Yan high speed lifts seem smaller than leitner-poma and doppelmayr?
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I don’t see any of that on Carpenter at Deer Valley (which was converted from a Yan, though unlike most of the Doppelmayr and Poma conversions, Garaventa CTEC completely replaced the terminals on Carpenter to do the conversion).
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Why is the line speed on this lift 900 while the other converted Yan is 1000?
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That may be a mistake on Peter’s part. In my experience, 1 also has has a reduced line speed.
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So I looked at the Yan records and 1 can actually only go 850 while 16 is 900. They were built different years.
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900 fpm because, the spacing is at 90′ with 6 a second interval.
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where did you get the records?
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This lift has the worst looking terminals; worse than standard CTEC hit speed chairs
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These were refitted Yan terminals, mind you. Of course, what sets these and June’s DoppelmaYans apart from most DoppelmaYans is that on the other DoppelmaYans, the terminals were essentially modified to take on the appearance of Spacejets with no underskin (like Sun Valley and Schweitzer), or outright replaced with new Spacejet terminals (Whistler).
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As a mechanic I think they look great- lots of room inside instead of some cramped enclosure with no headroom.
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Mainly what I meant was the terminal skin and paint at the top
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Mammoth 16, 900 fpm, 90′ spacing @ 6.0 sec interval. Mammoth 1, 850 fpm, 85′ spacing @ 6.0 sec. Both 2400 pph. This data is from the 1996 Doppelmayr conversion.
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Has Alterra said anything about this chair’s now-twice-delayed replacement?
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Nothing has been said publicly.
My two cents is that it would be nice of them to upgrade to an eight-pack instead to show that the extra delay resulted in a better lift.
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An 8 would be nice, but at this point it needs _something_. Of course, my preference would be to turn the existing top terminal into a midstation and continue to the top of 5, or better yet, the top of Dave’s, but yeah yeah I know.
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at the top terminal you can still see the pancake terminal witch is the greenline part of it
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It doesn’t appear that the top terminal received any sort of modification to the exterior.
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It did. Originally, Yan’s detach terminals were basically tunnels over the conveyor equipment with a fixed-grip motor room housing the drive equipment. The returns were even more low-profile with only weather coverings on the tire banks.
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They weren’t all that different from the first generation of Doppelmayr’s UNI terminals (the ones seen on Keystone’s Outback Express, Ramcharger 4 prior to its reinstallation as Shedhorn 4, Skyliner at Mt. Bachelor, and so on).
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Are you saying the top terminal is from Greenline at Whistler, or am I misinterpreting?
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Misinterpreting. He’s referring to the green-painted part of the terminal, which might be the only part of the original terminal skin left.
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Ah yeah, that makes sense, thanks. I had never seen the Yan detachable terminals before..those were cool-looking lifts.
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when were the safety bars added to the Yan high speed quads
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here are some pictures
I like those old colors of the terminals
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This must’ve been one of Yan’s last lifts.
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Did anyone see even one piece of evidence that any preparatory work was done this season to prepare for this lift’s wholesale replacement next year? I was expecting to see new tower footings or, like, a tree or two cut down.
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If it happens ?? All the work could be easily done in one summer.
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Yes, there is evidence of preparatory work done last summer for the new 16. The new top station will be closer to the top of 4 and thus they did a bit of work to get ready. Encore has been widened, and looks to be the new lift line. A number of trees were removed at the top of The Acts, opening the entrance up considerably. Before we got the 20 feet of snow in the last few weeks you could see a wooden stake at the top of The Acts that marked where a new tower is going in. That spot is pretty much where you used to enter the run on the left to avoid a wind stripped area. This is may not be an issue anymore as the removal of a small group of trees seemed to change the wind loading in the area.
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Interesting! Does this mean they’re likely to get the chair out of the avy chutes completely? Looked like they have some clearance challenges over there with the heavy snow load this season.
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Whenever I see a picture of an unmodified Yan Hsq I have to remind myself that they are actually old and from the 1980’s. Compared to what others were offering at the time, it is very easy to see why they were so popular. You could probably fit 2.5 Yan Hsq terminals into a single CLD-260, and poma was still using poma alpha terminals as main drives in the mid 80’s. Even later in the early 90’s, Doppelmayr’s early UNI-G was bigger (and in my opinion not as good looking) as the Yan Hsq terminal. Poma did not really have a uniform terminal in the early 1990’s as they were experimenting with the challenger terminal.
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Rest In Peace Canyon Express 16 This was a awesome lift I was able to record this lift too as well before it gets removed this summer.
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Is it no longer operating? Was debating on taking a trip to Mammoth later this month, and having a major lift like Canyon down will be disappointing
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Last day for Canyon is 4/16.
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Great news! Thanks Peter : )
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Canyon is still open on weekends .. chair 8 only
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I’ve been capturing routine screenshots of Mammoth’s webcam during construction…it’s not thrilling content but you can look at it here, if desired.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Lgv89_xi2Huiy6uU1ckdRwl0w5rBthrC3v-aunTbqgg/edit
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As of today, the first metallic components of the bottom terminal have been installed.
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The bottom terminal looks mostly finished as of today. You can see it on the website cams.
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I feel like they should relocate one of the very used triples 7,8,20,21 to the top of cloud 9 going to the top of the dragon back area making it more accessible and easier to lap without going all the way to the gondola every time.
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Something from the top of Canyon or top of 5 to the top of Dave’s is the dream.
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Yes that would be awesome but it should be accessible from cloud 9 and 5. I think the lift would most likely be chair 20 but I would still be happy if they built a t bar instead because they’re not much traffic at eagle. I think if mammoth has a goal of bringing people to eagle (shown from the unnecessary 6 packs) it would be a good way to uncroud the gondola and 23.
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Chairs are being loaded today. With less than a month to go before opening, looks like they’re entering the final phase.
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Chair 16 bottom terminal construction is complete. Scaffolding was removed at about 5pm Dec 15. Planned to open tommorow Dec 16 8:30 am
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These stations are extremely weird and don’t look like detachables. Old yan style?
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Custome enclosures.
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If I remember correctly, these terminal designs were all done in-house by the lift maintenance crew vs Doppelmayr. Same with the ones at June. It doesn’t make sense to me, but I can only assume it was cheaper.
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There’s an old pic showing the J6 bottom terminal pre-modification and it was built in that style by Yan. Based on the look of the top terminal of Canyon, I bet that one was built looking that way too. But the other terminals on all of them were made to look like that when they were modified
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