This lift opened in 2023-24, replacing a long and slow triple chair.New upper terminal with drive.Doppelmayr EJ chair with traditional footrests.The lift line features a number of different tower designs.Looking up the line.A tower with European style lifting frame.Tower 8.Flat section of the line near the bottom terminal.View up the middle part of the line.Lift line overview.Loading and maze area.UNI-G return station with tensioning.American style tower head.Tower 13.Nearing the summit.Tower 16.Arriving at the summit, which is slightly lower than the Blue Bird Express nearby.Another view of the top terminal.Looking down the line.Another view of tower 13.A flat section about half way up the line.Lower station overview.Doppelmayr Connect control system.Inside the return.View riding up the line.View back down at tower 7.Steep upper section of the line.Chair 1.Upper lift line.Inside operator controls at the drive station.View from the summit terminal.Deceleration section.Gearbox and motor.Lower part of the line.
SRAM is like USE OUR SILLY PLASTIC B-TENSION GUIDE TO ADJUST B-TENSION but when you do, b-tension ends up garbage and shifting is, to borrow a phrase from my buddy Dustin, mediocre at best, but if you just lean in a little on your 21.5 years of mechanic experience and ignore their engineers’ unqualified advice and adjust as you always would, b-tension comes out nice and shifting is totally at least a little above mediocre, like totally maybe approaching mostly adequate. If you only load puck-rest quads as triples, doubles, or singles, you can sit between the arms and use two different footrests and they actually support your feet, whereas if you throw the puck between the legs as designed you’re doing this awkward pelvic squeeze and you can’t really sit like that for more than 26 seconds. Funny thing is the tubular 2-foot footrests do the same but oppositely. Basically, somehow the Euro engineers who get stuck with the footrest UX are as bad as most bike engineers and over think while under delivering.
Yeah B Tension seems to be the “solution” to every problem with sram derailleurs. I will say that I have had just as many problems with shimano derailleurs though
Thank god. I’m so sick of this quest to re-invent the cylinder. We had 70+ years of skiers prospering with cylindrical footrests, and these new terrible designs have somehow taken over.
That ain’t heretical at all. These foot rests are totally uncomfortable. I had a moment in my late 30s where I used them cos I thought I was old, but now that I’m even older I just suck it up and figure my feet will stop hurting eventually. Usually that means a half ride and then they’re good again for the day. If my feet hurt more than one chair ride, something else is wrong that a little padded bar won’t fix.
I assumed the same, Donald, but I was trying to inject a little sarcasm and/or humour….
Somebody, just for context, I’ve worked on and around lifts for thirty years. For the last six I’ve worked on two LPAs; I was genuinely curious what makes you call their newest iteration of the footrest ‘abominations’. I like them both as a mechanic and as a skier. As a mechanic, they’re modular- I only need to replace the parts that are broken, rather than bringing the whole shebang into the shop to weld-repair or worse, throw out entirely. As a skier, they’re plenty wide to put both of my skis on and my snowboarder acquaintances don’t seem to mind them either.
The flat LP footrests are bad. You need to be the correct height and sitting at the correct angle for them to work. I’m sure they’re great if everything lines up, but if they don’t then they’re just useless. The cylinders are always okay (no matter how you sit, where you sit, how tall you are, etc) but never great. That’s preferable to me.
@ somebody Are they the “Abomination” model? Named after the Yeti? What makes them the abomination? They just look like a footrest. Aesthetically pleasing, at that. T-bar callback, if you will.
I wouldn’t call the previous Centennial slow.. it moved at 500FPM, as fast as you can for a fixed grip triple… But yeah at 6000ft in length that can take a bit of time. But skiing was more enjoyable back then when time moved slower.
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I guess Doppelmayr is still selling the traditional footrests! I hate those puck footrests.
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It’s up to the buyer. Doppelmayr has always made both.
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Though I’ve yet to see the traditional style footrests on a D-Line.
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The puck rests are like SRAM. If you use em wrong, they work better.
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Never heard that one before 😂 what do you mean with the sram part?
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It’s a bike reference. I don’t know the context but I know SRAM makes derailleiurs and stuff :)
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SRAM is like USE OUR SILLY PLASTIC B-TENSION GUIDE TO ADJUST B-TENSION but when you do, b-tension ends up garbage and shifting is, to borrow a phrase from my buddy Dustin, mediocre at best, but if you just lean in a little on your 21.5 years of mechanic experience and ignore their engineers’ unqualified advice and adjust as you always would, b-tension comes out nice and shifting is totally at least a little above mediocre, like totally maybe approaching mostly adequate. If you only load puck-rest quads as triples, doubles, or singles, you can sit between the arms and use two different footrests and they actually support your feet, whereas if you throw the puck between the legs as designed you’re doing this awkward pelvic squeeze and you can’t really sit like that for more than 26 seconds. Funny thing is the tubular 2-foot footrests do the same but oppositely. Basically, somehow the Euro engineers who get stuck with the footrest UX are as bad as most bike engineers and over think while under delivering.
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Yeah B Tension seems to be the “solution” to every problem with sram derailleurs. I will say that I have had just as many problems with shimano derailleurs though
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Thank god. I’m so sick of this quest to re-invent the cylinder. We had 70+ years of skiers prospering with cylindrical footrests, and these new terrible designs have somehow taken over.
Cylinder footrests>no footrests>>pucks>>>>the Leitner-Poma abomination footrests
I’m someone who always grew up putting the bar down. The pucks and (especially) the LP footrests have made me start to change that.
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Call me a heretic, but I have more issues with big skis on the traditional ones than the pucks.
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That ain’t heretical at all. These foot rests are totally uncomfortable. I had a moment in my late 30s where I used them cos I thought I was old, but now that I’m even older I just suck it up and figure my feet will stop hurting eventually. Usually that means a half ride and then they’re good again for the day. If my feet hurt more than one chair ride, something else is wrong that a little padded bar won’t fix.
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‘Leitner-Poma abomination footrests’? I haven’t seen those in the prints yet. What are they?
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I assume they’re talking about this kind of footrest:
Which isn’t that different from the older style of footrest used on older Poma lifts.
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I assumed the same, Donald, but I was trying to inject a little sarcasm and/or humour….
Somebody, just for context, I’ve worked on and around lifts for thirty years. For the last six I’ve worked on two LPAs; I was genuinely curious what makes you call their newest iteration of the footrest ‘abominations’. I like them both as a mechanic and as a skier. As a mechanic, they’re modular- I only need to replace the parts that are broken, rather than bringing the whole shebang into the shop to weld-repair or worse, throw out entirely. As a skier, they’re plenty wide to put both of my skis on and my snowboarder acquaintances don’t seem to mind them either.
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The flat LP footrests are bad. You need to be the correct height and sitting at the correct angle for them to work. I’m sure they’re great if everything lines up, but if they don’t then they’re just useless. The cylinders are always okay (no matter how you sit, where you sit, how tall you are, etc) but never great. That’s preferable to me.
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@ somebody Are they the “Abomination” model? Named after the Yeti? What makes them the abomination? They just look like a footrest. Aesthetically pleasing, at that. T-bar callback, if you will.
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Why is the new lift shorter than the old one
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I wouldn’t call the previous Centennial slow.. it moved at 500FPM, as fast as you can for a fixed grip triple… But yeah at 6000ft in length that can take a bit of time. But skiing was more enjoyable back then when time moved slower.
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