New Eagle’s Rest chairlift, additional magic carpets and a lift in Cody Bowl. I would like to see a detachable replace Thunder and a new Lower Faces lift from the bottom of Union Pass to the bottom of Sublette.
Why always quads why don’t we do a triple in the lower face area
And Apres Vous a 8 person or 6 person with a bubble chairlift. A triple chair in Saratoga bowl. Jackson should do that
Peter, what’s the lift situation here? What I mean by that is who owns this joint & who do they like when it comes to lift companies, Doppelmayr or Leitner Poma.
Rendezvous platter was way up the mountain! Just look at the top of the tram to the left on an old ski map, and you see it following the black ski run #8. My guess is they removed it due to avalanche concerns, or the lift was taken out by an avalanche. At any rate, it’s long gone.
I am sure this is a sacrilegious question but has Jackson Hole ever considered replacing both Thunder and Sublette with one detachable (e.g. from bottom of Thunder to top of Sublette)? A six pack perhaps? As it appears to me that you can ski access all of the Thunder terrain from the top of Sublette.
You can, but it’s a nasty traverse. Would be a bad idea given the traffic on it, plus Sublette can be a wind nightmare. They make sense as separate lifts.
I’ve never heard that idea because, as Ryan says, Laramie Traverse is only one cat width and Thunder can often run when Sublette is down for wind. As I said above, I would replace Thunder with a high speed quad spinning the opposite direction as it does today. The towers and chairs could probably be reused. I would do a contour load facing north and a contour unload facing south. The Thunder terminals could then be used for a new Eagle’s Rest beginner lift with a few new towers.
Even though it’s older, I think Sublette will stay as it is for awhile. After a Thunder replacement, I wonder about the possibilities in the Lower Faces and Cody Bowl.
Casper went to Magic Mountain, Idaho. Apres Vous is at Marshall Mountain, Montana. Eagle’s Rest was scrapped. Not sure about the old Pomas, Crystal Springs, Teewinot and Thunder.
We need a Skytrac to carry on the tradition of at least one lift from every major lift manufacturer. Murray-Latta, Hall, Mueller, Riblet, Heron-Poma, Poma, CTEC, Lift Engineering, Leitner-Poma, Doppelmayr CTEC, Garaventa and Doppelmayr so far!
My idea of a JH master plan below with two new lifts in the Lower Faces, one in Casper Bowl and one near the Sweetwater mid-station. The Moose Creek area would be perfect for a second base area but unfortunately that ship has sailed.
I disagree, what makes the hobacks so special is the fact that they stay fresh. Every skier on them is an expert looking for powder, and adding lifts there would just result in them getting tracked faster. In my opinion, if they build a lift over there, it should open new terrain, but that’s probably a pipe dream.
OTOH, distributing skiers across the mountain is more important than preserving powder for the powder junkies. I mean, I remember powder junkies who were critical of Vail for building the High Noon Express lift, nevermind that the triple had very long lines.
Has there ever been a plan to put lifts and a second base on the east side of Apres Vous mountain in the Saratoga bowl? It seems that would be the best place for a new base area since Moose Creek is out of the question.
Going up from the main base towards Apres Vous Mountain, private homes line the ski area boundary until a little above the Apres Vous lift. A little further up, Saratoga Bowl Traverse goes alongside the resort’s boundary against Grand Teton National Park. The only potential area would be southeast below St. John’s if they could thread a trail in between private property boundaries and Grand Teton National Park.
On the master plan it proposes a new slalom lift and new lifts in Cody bowl. Does anyone know about the proposed slalom lift on what type of lift it will be and what it will do?
Does anyone know what happened to the east ridge double? It appears to have had near the same lift line as the rendezvous platter but more right on the bowl. It appears to have been installed for only six years.
Looking at old trail maps from the 1960s, they mention a loading ramp at Tram Tower 2 and unloading ramp at Tram Tower 3. Were these ever used prior to Thunder being built?
Why was Crystal Springs removed? It seems to have left a lift link missing from 1997-2005 until Sweetwater was installed. Today it’s purpose is served by the Sweetwater Gondola.
The addition of Bridger allowed a lot more mid mountain access and rendered Crystal Springs a bit redundant. Bridger also starts right where Crystal Springs likely did, so that made it a no brainer to remove it. More skiers flocking to Jackson in the last 20 years led to the Sweetwater triple and later the gondola, since Bridger was no longer enough.
Is that he mountain resort going to build anymore lifts? If so what capacity 8 person, 6 person, quad , triple,double,single?!
What year. Jackson needs to start expansion and build more lifts.
Jackson Hole’s GM mentioned on the Storm Skiing Podcast that she was interested in upgrading Sublette and Thunder to a detachable six and quad, respectively, and installing a Lower Faces detachable quad from Union Pass Traverse/Way Home to the top of Lower Sublette Ridge within the next five years.
‘Jackson Hole’s GM mentioned on the Storm Skiing Podcast that she was interested in upgrading Sublette and Thunder to a detachable six and quad, respectively.’ Doesn’t sound definitive to me.
Just wondering, but usually a resort is pretty solidly a Doppelmayr or LP customer, like Snowmass or Tremblant, or has a solid switch like Snowbasin. From what I’ve seen, JHMR seems to be switching back and fourth, which LP lifts like Thunder and Subtlette with Doppelmayr lifts like Teton and Sweetwater. Anyone know what the reasoning here is? Is it like an auction or something of the like?
If they build lifts in cody bowland a lower face lift where would that lift come out of? I don’t think it would make sense to have a Hobacks Lift because honestly it would just turn into an access lift… What is the possibility of a lift to the south of Moose Creek and the introduction of a Day Lodge?
Was able to visit Jackson Hole on a vacation last week. What a great operation, so cool that the summer sight seeing pass gives you access to the Tram and both Gondolas. Last time I visited was summer 1996 , Eagles Rest was dismantled to be shortened, Tweetwinot Hall towers were coming down, Crystal Springs was still standing (last year of operation), and the area of the Bridger Center and condos was all trees. Wish I would have taken more photos back then as things were about to really change from then on. Crazy to think that Tweetwinot and Bridger are now the oldest lifts. Are there any replacements or upgrades planned or already done on them?
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what is next on the JH master plan?
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New Eagle’s Rest chairlift, additional magic carpets and a lift in Cody Bowl. I would like to see a detachable replace Thunder and a new Lower Faces lift from the bottom of Union Pass to the bottom of Sublette.
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What will the new Eagle’s Rest be? (Quad, triple, fixed, detachable)
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Likely a fixed-grip quad. Relocated Thunder would be perfect if it goes detachable.
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Why always quads why don’t we do a triple in the lower face area
And Apres Vous a 8 person or 6 person with a bubble chairlift. A triple chair in Saratoga bowl. Jackson should do that
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Peter, what’s the lift situation here? What I mean by that is who owns this joint & who do they like when it comes to lift companies, Doppelmayr or Leitner Poma.
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What is the unit on line speed? Also, what does it represent?
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Feet per minute. It is the maximum speed the haul rope is designed to move.
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Did Sweetwater Yan go onto someplace else?
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Pine Creek, WY
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What are they planning on doing with it?
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never heard of the rendezvous platter before. Why was it removed?
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Rendezvous platter was way up the mountain! Just look at the top of the tram to the left on an old ski map, and you see it following the black ski run #8. My guess is they removed it due to avalanche concerns, or the lift was taken out by an avalanche. At any rate, it’s long gone.
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I am sure this is a sacrilegious question but has Jackson Hole ever considered replacing both Thunder and Sublette with one detachable (e.g. from bottom of Thunder to top of Sublette)? A six pack perhaps? As it appears to me that you can ski access all of the Thunder terrain from the top of Sublette.
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You can, but it’s a nasty traverse. Would be a bad idea given the traffic on it, plus Sublette can be a wind nightmare. They make sense as separate lifts.
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I’ve never heard that idea because, as Ryan says, Laramie Traverse is only one cat width and Thunder can often run when Sublette is down for wind. As I said above, I would replace Thunder with a high speed quad spinning the opposite direction as it does today. The towers and chairs could probably be reused. I would do a contour load facing north and a contour unload facing south. The Thunder terminals could then be used for a new Eagle’s Rest beginner lift with a few new towers.
Even though it’s older, I think Sublette will stay as it is for awhile. After a Thunder replacement, I wonder about the possibilities in the Lower Faces and Cody Bowl.
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Any other of the retired lifts besides Sweetie go onto other mountains?
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Casper went to Magic Mountain, Idaho. Apres Vous is at Marshall Mountain, Montana. Eagle’s Rest was scrapped. Not sure about the old Pomas, Crystal Springs, Teewinot and Thunder.
We need a Skytrac to carry on the tradition of at least one lift from every major lift manufacturer. Murray-Latta, Hall, Mueller, Riblet, Heron-Poma, Poma, CTEC, Lift Engineering, Leitner-Poma, Doppelmayr CTEC, Garaventa and Doppelmayr so far!
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My idea of a JH master plan below with two new lifts in the Lower Faces, one in Casper Bowl and one near the Sweetwater mid-station. The Moose Creek area would be perfect for a second base area but unfortunately that ship has sailed.
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I would be all for the Lower Faces lifts, as it would mean not having to take Union Pass out and back to the Tram.
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I disagree, what makes the hobacks so special is the fact that they stay fresh. Every skier on them is an expert looking for powder, and adding lifts there would just result in them getting tracked faster. In my opinion, if they build a lift over there, it should open new terrain, but that’s probably a pipe dream.
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OTOH, distributing skiers across the mountain is more important than preserving powder for the powder junkies. I mean, I remember powder junkies who were critical of Vail for building the High Noon Express lift, nevermind that the triple had very long lines.
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What will the lower face chairlift be called what capacity will they be will they have bubbles on them? six, quad, triple, double?
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Has there ever been a plan to put lifts and a second base on the east side of Apres Vous mountain in the Saratoga bowl? It seems that would be the best place for a new base area since Moose Creek is out of the question.
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Going up from the main base towards Apres Vous Mountain, private homes line the ski area boundary until a little above the Apres Vous lift. A little further up, Saratoga Bowl Traverse goes alongside the resort’s boundary against Grand Teton National Park. The only potential area would be southeast below St. John’s if they could thread a trail in between private property boundaries and Grand Teton National Park.
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I’m pretty uninformed, why wouldn’t the Moose Creek base area work?
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Too many houses
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Also make them all Doppelmayr d-line
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I don’t think Jackson Hole is ready for D-Lines everywhere, its not the type of place. I think a D-Line would ruin the vibe.
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I noticed this handle tow. I assume this is private homeowner access, but i’d be curious to know about it.
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Some photos from https://mountainscholar.org/discover of the original tram (with original cabins) and crystal springs:
https://mountainscholar.org/bitstream/handle/11124/8173/R1534.jpg?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
https://mountainscholar.org/bitstream/handle/11124/9011/R1479.jpg?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
https://mountainscholar.org/bitstream/handle/11124/9018/R1488.jpg?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
https://mountainscholar.org/bitstream/handle/11124/9012/R1480.jpg?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
https://mountainscholar.org/bitstream/handle/11124/9462/R1186.jpg?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
https://mountainscholar.org/bitstream/handle/11124/8561/R0882.jpg?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
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is there anymore old chairlifts at the moutain resort like the old teewinot double or any other old jhmr chairlift photo/s
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On the master plan it proposes a new slalom lift and new lifts in Cody bowl. Does anyone know about the proposed slalom lift on what type of lift it will be and what it will do?
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Ya it’s on here
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Does anyone know what happened to the east ridge double? It appears to have had near the same lift line as the rendezvous platter but more right on the bowl. It appears to have been installed for only six years.
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https://liftblog.com/marmot-jackson-hole-wy/
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What is the Cody Bowl Return (Top left)?
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Looking at old trail maps from the 1960s, they mention a loading ramp at Tram Tower 2 and unloading ramp at Tram Tower 3. Were these ever used prior to Thunder being built?
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Why was Crystal Springs removed? It seems to have left a lift link missing from 1997-2005 until Sweetwater was installed. Today it’s purpose is served by the Sweetwater Gondola.
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The addition of Bridger allowed a lot more mid mountain access and rendered Crystal Springs a bit redundant. Bridger also starts right where Crystal Springs likely did, so that made it a no brainer to remove it. More skiers flocking to Jackson in the last 20 years led to the Sweetwater triple and later the gondola, since Bridger was no longer enough.
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Is that he mountain resort going to build anymore lifts? If so what capacity 8 person, 6 person, quad , triple,double,single?!
What year. Jackson needs to start expansion and build more lifts.
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Jackson Hole’s GM mentioned on the Storm Skiing Podcast that she was interested in upgrading Sublette and Thunder to a detachable six and quad, respectively, and installing a Lower Faces detachable quad from Union Pass Traverse/Way Home to the top of Lower Sublette Ridge within the next five years.
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Is it Thunder or Sublette that is becoming a quad?
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Is it thunder or Sublette that is becoming a six pack
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‘Jackson Hole’s GM mentioned on the Storm Skiing Podcast that she was interested in upgrading Sublette and Thunder to a detachable six and quad, respectively.’ Doesn’t sound definitive to me.
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True that interview is that only source that is telling us that new chairlifts are going to be built
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Photo of the old tram top termina with the original cabins:
And a pretty nifty poster:
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Just wondering, but usually a resort is pretty solidly a Doppelmayr or LP customer, like Snowmass or Tremblant, or has a solid switch like Snowbasin. From what I’ve seen, JHMR seems to be switching back and fourth, which LP lifts like Thunder and Subtlette with Doppelmayr lifts like Teton and Sweetwater. Anyone know what the reasoning here is? Is it like an auction or something of the like?
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Probably what is cheaper, similar to how VR does it.
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If they build lifts in cody bowland a lower face lift where would that lift come out of? I don’t think it would make sense to have a Hobacks Lift because honestly it would just turn into an access lift… What is the possibility of a lift to the south of Moose Creek and the introduction of a Day Lodge?
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Was able to visit Jackson Hole on a vacation last week. What a great operation, so cool that the summer sight seeing pass gives you access to the Tram and both Gondolas. Last time I visited was summer 1996 , Eagles Rest was dismantled to be shortened, Tweetwinot Hall towers were coming down, Crystal Springs was still standing (last year of operation), and the area of the Bridger Center and condos was all trees. Wish I would have taken more photos back then as things were about to really change from then on. Crazy to think that Tweetwinot and Bridger are now the oldest lifts. Are there any replacements or upgrades planned or already done on them?
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