This bottom terminal is unique in that it doesn’t have a depression tower first.Upper half of the line seen from Zendo.View up the lift line.Middle lift line.Tower 13.Lift line overview.Top station with wood siding.Side view of the return.Unloading area.Arriving up top.Breakover towers.Leitner chair.Tower 18.Looking back down the line.Upper lift line.The lower lift line is not accessible by skiers.Leitner-Poma crossarms.The big gully.Drive station below.Loading area and operator house.
Actually these chairs are called LP6 carriers (the quad size carriers are LP4s). The LPA-#-OC carriers have not yet been installed anywhere in North America, but they are found on most new installations in Europe. Obviously the LPA-#-CC can be found on many lifts in North America. I guess the LP# carrier is Leitner-Poma’s equivalent to the EJ carrier, while the LPA-#-OC carriers are more comparable to the #E98s from Doppelmayr.
Leitner-Poma of America Omega Quad (Green Mtn. Exp. @ Sugarbush):
Leitner-Poma of America Omega Six-Pack (Big Blue @ Squaw Valley):
In the prints and manual for the Eagle, what you call the LP6 carrier is referred to as the EEZII. Not sure if that’s a Poma-specific designation or what.
It’s interesting that you mention that. I did some poking around and it turns out that the LP# carrier is not a North-American specific carrier.
Up until 2005, Poma was using the Satellit terminal in Europe, and Leitner was using their SA#C system. Both were pre-merger designs; both were discontinued in 2006. In 2005, Leitner and Poma (European) developed the LPA grip and Multix series terminals. Both used the same grip. The terminal skins were a little bit different, but mechanically they were the same. Poma seemed to start using the then brand new LPA-#-OC carrier instantly on non-bubbled lifts, while Leitner retained their older detachable carrier for a few more years until they switched over to one carrier type, the LPA-#-OC or CC carrier. All bubbled Multix lifts that I have found use LPA-#-CC bubble chairs.
Then in 2013, Poma rolled out the EEZII (pronounced “easy”) detachable system, which used LPA grips, these LP# chairs, and new terminals which are very different from the Multix terminals. I have only found a few of these EEZII systems, all of which came from Poma and not Leitner; they have also only been been six-packs without bubbles with design speeds of 5 m/s. The LPA-#-OC never appeared on the EEZII detachables. Instead, the EEZII series detachables all used the LP# carrier, which first appeared in 2013 (the same year Kensho was installed). The short lived EEZII detachable system seems to have been discontinued in favor of the Multix (which itself never really started to be phased out); the last new EEZIIs that I have found were built in 2016.
EEZII seems to be a designation for that entire system rather than the carrier, but I could be wrong.
That doesn’t really answer the question about the chair name, but this might:
This lift is designed for 1,000 fpm operations, but in practice I’ve usually seen the lift run at around 950 fpm for wind-related reasons. (I don’t know if a six-pack fares better in high winds than a quad, but that would certainly be a reason why this alignment has a high speed six pack when it’s actually rare to encounter a long wait at the lift)
Interesting to note is that the Kensho SuperChair uses a lighter-colored grain of wood for its terminals compared to the Colorado SuperChair and Falcon SuperChair. And that the terminal masts are painted silver instead of tan.
Per Google Maps calculations, there are 119.3 foot intervals between chairs, which is not much bigger than the spacing intervals on the Rocky Mountain SuperChair but does mean the two lifts have the same number of chairs given their similar lengths (5,455 and 5,902 feet respectively). If the Kensho SuperChair had 3,600 pph, there’d be 98 foot intervals like on the Colorado SuperChair, and around 124 chairs on Kensho.
Highest high speed six pack in North America
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It used to be Panoramic at Winter Park
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What are you talking about?
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My bad- I get it now.
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The only lift with a higher unload point than the Kensho SuperChair would be Imperial.
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I think it’s been said on other pages that this was the first chairlift in the US with LPA 6-OC chairs (the non-bubbled LPA chairs).
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Actually these chairs are called LP6 carriers (the quad size carriers are LP4s). The LPA-#-OC carriers have not yet been installed anywhere in North America, but they are found on most new installations in Europe. Obviously the LPA-#-CC can be found on many lifts in North America. I guess the LP# carrier is Leitner-Poma’s equivalent to the EJ carrier, while the LPA-#-OC carriers are more comparable to the #E98s from Doppelmayr.
Leitner-Poma of America Omega Quad (Green Mtn. Exp. @ Sugarbush):
Leitner-Poma of America Omega Six-Pack (Big Blue @ Squaw Valley):
LP4 Carrier (Supreme CLD4 @ Alta):
LP6 Carrier (Northwoods CLD6 @ Vail):
LPA-4-OC (some random Poma Multix Series CLD4):
LPA-6-OC (some random Poma Multix Series CLD6):
LPA-4-CC (Quantum Four @ Okemo):
LPA-6-CC (Blurbird Exp. @ Mt. Snow):
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In the prints and manual for the Eagle, what you call the LP6 carrier is referred to as the EEZII. Not sure if that’s a Poma-specific designation or what.
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It’s interesting that you mention that. I did some poking around and it turns out that the LP# carrier is not a North-American specific carrier.
Up until 2005, Poma was using the Satellit terminal in Europe, and Leitner was using their SA#C system. Both were pre-merger designs; both were discontinued in 2006. In 2005, Leitner and Poma (European) developed the LPA grip and Multix series terminals. Both used the same grip. The terminal skins were a little bit different, but mechanically they were the same. Poma seemed to start using the then brand new LPA-#-OC carrier instantly on non-bubbled lifts, while Leitner retained their older detachable carrier for a few more years until they switched over to one carrier type, the LPA-#-OC or CC carrier. All bubbled Multix lifts that I have found use LPA-#-CC bubble chairs.
Then in 2013, Poma rolled out the EEZII (pronounced “easy”) detachable system, which used LPA grips, these LP# chairs, and new terminals which are very different from the Multix terminals. I have only found a few of these EEZII systems, all of which came from Poma and not Leitner; they have also only been been six-packs without bubbles with design speeds of 5 m/s. The LPA-#-OC never appeared on the EEZII detachables. Instead, the EEZII series detachables all used the LP# carrier, which first appeared in 2013 (the same year Kensho was installed). The short lived EEZII detachable system seems to have been discontinued in favor of the Multix (which itself never really started to be phased out); the last new EEZIIs that I have found were built in 2016.
EEZII seems to be a designation for that entire system rather than the carrier, but I could be wrong.
That doesn’t really answer the question about the chair name, but this might:
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EEZII detachables:
https://www.remontees-mecaniques.net/bdd/reportage-tsd6-des-portes-du-soleil-poma-5403.html
https://www.remontees-mecaniques.net/bdd/reportage-tsd6-laouissalet-meilleret-poma-6191.html
https://www.remontees-mecaniques.net/bdd/reportage-tsd6-de-la-foret-poma-5716.html
https://www.remontees-mecaniques.net/bdd/reportage-tsd6-des-estaris-poma-5083.html
https://www.remontees-mecaniques.net/bdd/reportage-tsd6-de-claran-poma-6108.html
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This lift is designed for 1,000 fpm operations, but in practice I’ve usually seen the lift run at around 950 fpm for wind-related reasons. (I don’t know if a six-pack fares better in high winds than a quad, but that would certainly be a reason why this alignment has a high speed six pack when it’s actually rare to encounter a long wait at the lift)
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Interesting to note is that the Kensho SuperChair uses a lighter-colored grain of wood for its terminals compared to the Colorado SuperChair and Falcon SuperChair. And that the terminal masts are painted silver instead of tan.
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I have some videos of the lift:
At full 1,000 fpm:
At 950 fpm:
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When run at 1,000 fpm, I believe the chair intervals are more like 7 seconds and capacity is closer to 3,200 than 3,000, going off my videos.
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Per Google Maps calculations, there are 119.3 foot intervals between chairs, which is not much bigger than the spacing intervals on the Rocky Mountain SuperChair but does mean the two lifts have the same number of chairs given their similar lengths (5,455 and 5,902 feet respectively). If the Kensho SuperChair had 3,600 pph, there’d be 98 foot intervals like on the Colorado SuperChair, and around 124 chairs on Kensho.
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I prefer the LPA chairs over Doppelmayr, just because they are better on my back, but I am used to 4-CLF and 2-CLF chairs.
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The LPA chairs have more cushioned backrests.
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