Silver Streak Express was the original name for the Summit Express which was a detachable triple from 1983-1997 before the current quad went in. The same enclosed terminal buildings were used for both lifts.
Was the skiing as good as MT Hood this last year? I see my former teacher at Welches is still hitting it. You know my Ski team won state in HS at Sandy. Your lessons paid off. Mike Wall. Ie.. tennis champ if you remember as well.
How long did that name last? I remember it as Summit from March of ’87. (I know that memory is fickle.) My “I’m 6 years or less and I Ski Free at Mt Bachelor” ticket is still on the wall and M&P’s house. In case anyone cares.
The original Yellow chair or chair #3 when it was built replaced a T-Bar. The original had a unloading station that was tough for beginners. It was configured later by Yan using a lot of the original Riblet.
Thank you Steve. Chair 3 was built in the summer of 1966 the same year the overnight Main Lodge (West Village) was built. Chair 3 became Yellow in November of 1973. Chair three was originally a Riblet as you said. The top and bottom terminals were reconfigured in the summer of 1981by Yan.
Built in 1983, pre-EJ chairs (the ones with the green plastic slats), DS grips. I have a few photos from when I was 10 or so, not long after the lift was built, but they’re at my parents’ house and I’d have to scan them anyway :)
It’s quite likely they just replaced the comfort bars. The EC/EJ carriers are pretty modular that way. You can remove the pivot points from the backrest and replace them with different kinds.
“In the early 1990s, Mount Bachelor had intentions of installing an 8 passenger high speed gondola which would run from the Sunriver access road to the base area of the Sunrise lodge. However, while marketed in ski magazines, this gondola was never built.”
That’s an excerpt from Wikipedia. This one is a bit of a head scratcher. The only purpose I could really see this serving is adding additional, gondola accessed parking. Or maybe additional development like a village or something with overnight accomodations. Mt. Bachelor does seem to be the largest day ski operation I know of, with no on-mountain or adjacent overnight accomodations. Everyone drives up, and then back home or to a hotel.
Mt. Bachelor had lots of wealthy private investors, which is how it was able to grow so quickly in the late 80s and 90s. I know that there was another HSQ planned off the summit near Cow’s Face and that the Northwest Express was originally going to be a gondola, but the USFS would not allow Mt. Bachelor to put a parking lot on that side of the mountain. In addition, Mt. Bachelor gave up its permit on Tumalo Mountain to install the Summit Express so that it could have 360 degree skiing.
In regards to the gondola mentioned on Wikipedia, here is one source. February, 1987 issue of SKIING Magazine.
That’s really cool to find out! Also on the Wikipedia page for Mt. Bachelor, it mentioned that Rainbow was going to be replaced with a detachable quad, and Sunrise Express with a detachable six pack.
Now with Rainbow shortened, I’m assuming a Rainbow Express will never happen. Did Cloudchaser essentially cancel Rainbow Express, and do you think there will ever be a detachable chairlift up Cow’s Face, making it the next terrain expansion beyond Cloudchaser Express?
It’s really interesting to see how Northwest Express was originally planned to be a gondola, with a third base down there, but with no base and access being purely limited to skiers and snowboarders who already have their skis/boards on their feet, I can see why they just went with a detachable quad.
It seems like Mt. Bachelor doesn’t have an investment issue or revenue issue, rather they’re constantly struggling with the Forest Service. They had to sacrifice Tumalo Mountain, and couldn’t build a restaurant on the top of the mountain like they originally had hoped. It’s also probably why there isn’t any immediate overnight accomodations for a resort that gets as much tourism as it does.
Wikipedia’s record on Mt. Bachelor isn’t quite accurate, especially regarding the location of a proposed gondola.
1981 MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN
Primary Base Areas & Lodges:
– Retain Main (West Village) Base
– Construct Flycreek (Sunrise) Base
– Construct East Base with access off of Sunriver Road
– Construct West Base 1/2 mile west of original Outback lift base
– Construct Mid-Mountain Lodge at top of Sunrise / bottom of Summit lifts
– Construct Summit Lodge at the top of the mountain
– Retain and improve the existing Blue Lodge
– Retain the existing Egan Lodge
Lifts:
– Retain Outback, Red, Yellow, Orange, Black, Green & Blue lifts (but “remodel” the lifts as needed)
– Construct Avalanche (Sunrise) and Flycreek (Rainbow) lifts to serve the proposed Flycreek (Sunrise) Base
– Construct Summit lift to the top of Mt Bachelor (the lift was known as both the Sunrise lift and Silver Streak lift in planning stages)
– Construct West & Northwest lifts
– Construct Shangrila lift (this lift morphed into what is now Cloudchaser, in a longer alignment)
– Construct Relayer lift from East Base to Shangrila lift
– Construct Tram from the East Base to the summit
– Construct East lift from the East base, serving the lowest section of Tram terrain
– Construct Mr. Bill lift in its own terrain pod southwest of the Tram
Between 1981 and 1985, the Avalanche (Sunrise), Flycreek (Rainbow) and Summit lifts from the above plan were constructed, along with the Flycreek (Sunrise) Base area.
In the mid 1980s, as a result of the rapid change in the ski industry with the development of high-speed detachable chairlift technology, Mt. Bachelor revised its Master Plan. Known as the 1986 Master Plan Update, this wasn’t considered a new Master Plan; it was an approved update based on industry changes and the need to react to those changes. Below are the 1986 changes to the 1981 plan.
Base Areas:
– Expand the Main (West Village) Base
– Retain the recently-constructed Sunrise Base
– Move the existing Blue & Egan Lodges
– Delete the West Base near Outback lift
– Delete the Mid-Mountain Lodge at the top of Sunrise / bottom of Summit lifts
– Add a Mid-Mountain Lodge on the bench at the junction of the proposed Sunriver Gondola and 7th Heaven Express lifts
– Add a Mid-Mountain Lodge (Pine Marten Lodge) at the top of the Pine Marten & Outback Express lifts
Lifts:
– Replace the Black & Red chairs with the Big Red (Pine Marten) Express
– Replace the Blue & Green chairs with the Big Blue (Skyliner) Express
– Replace the Orange & Yellow chairs with the Orange Express (Sunshine Accelerator / Little Pine)
– Construct new Outback and Northwest Express lifts; delete the West lift
– Retain the recently-constructed Sunrise, Rainbow & Summit lifts
– Retain the proposed Shangrila (Cloudchaser), Relayer and East Beginner lifts
– Delete the Tram from the East Base, replace it with two lifts: Sunriver Gondola from the East Base to mid-mountain and 7th Heaven Express from mid-mountain to the summit
– Delete the Mt. Bill lift and replace it with the East Express
In the late 2000s, new leadership at Mt. Bachelor publicly recognized that the last approved Master Plan – from 1986 – had become obsolete and was no longer a useful planning tool. All of the approved lift upgrades had been completed, except for those that were associated with the proposed East Base – a concept that was still far from necessary given the current and projected skier visit counts. Yet the resort was in desperate need for some lift & facility upgrades (mainly focused at the Sunrise base), a modest expansion to create more skiable terrain on stormy days (Cloudchaser), and an investment in the summer experience (mountain biking & zip lines). Five years after planning started, the 2013 Master Plan was approved.
Mt. Bachelor’s 2013 Master Plan differed significantly from the 1980s-era plans. First, it was less ambitious, yet much more practical – with a roster of projects that could realistically be finished in the Plan’s 10-year timeline. More importantly, though, Mt Bachelor took the entire 2013 Plan through the NEPA (National Environmental Policy Act) process and received formal approval from the USFS for every project in the Plan.
The East Base was not included in the 2013 Master Plan. If desired, the resort must develop a new Master Plan and go through the NEPA process in order to move forward on the East Base concept the future. A doubling of the annual skier visit count is probably necessary before it would make sense for the company to get serious about the East Base project and its associated lifts & lodges.
Also not included in the 2013 Master Plan: Lodging. Interestingly, the Northwest Forest Plan, signed into law by President Clinton in 1994, specifically prohibits Mt. Bachelor from adding overnight accommodations on the mountain. It would require another act of congress and signature by the president of the United States in order for Mt. Bachelor to pursue on-mountain lodging in the future.
It’s not that Mt. Bachelor doesn’t have the visitation or the revenue, it’s simply legal barriers they face in regards to adding things that even many smaller resorts can have, such as gondolas, more than 2 bases, and overnight accomodations on the mountain.
Aside from the overnight lodging situation, Deschutes National Forest leadership has been quite supportive of development at Mt Bachelor during the past couple decades. The 2013 Master Plan sailed through the process without any serious objections. When crafting the plan, the partnership between Mt Bachelor and the Deschutes National Forecast was the ideal model for how a public/private collaborative process should work.
Mt Bachelor’s owner, POWDR, has invested significantly on Mt Bachelor’s Master Plan projects during the past five years – from the Cloudchaser expansion to the mountain bike park, zip line, Sunrise Lodge remodel and the Woodward Mountain Park initiative, which brought a new quad chair and two new carpets. Approved in the plan but yet to be constructed are a new, larger Sunrise Lodge, a six-pack replacement for Sunrise Express and a high-speed quad replacement for Rainbow Chair (potentially with the existing Sunrise Express equipment – but that lift is getting old). However, skier visit counts have not been consistently high enough to prove the need for those very expensive investments as of yet.
The other significant, not-yet-built projects that are approved in the 2013 Master Plan:
1) New tubing & family snow play complex across the West Village parking lot from the existing tubing area (the trees were cleared for this in 2014).
2) Biomass plant in partnership with the USFS; the steam heat generated from burning natural forest fuels would replace the mountain’s propane heat system.
3) Remodel & expand West Village Lodge (bar side) and demolish the unsightly ski patrol & generator buildings next to it.
4) Shorten Red Chair and repurpose that terrain pod into an alpine race training complex. The relocated top terminal of Red would be high enough such that you could still get to Outback/Northwest (through the Cinder Cone saddle area and lower Ed’s Garden run) but low enough to get the lift out of the wind. In partnership with the local non-profit ski team organization (MBSEF), a new Alpine Training Center building at the bottom of Red Chair would replace the Junior Race Center (Blue Lodge).
I’ve listed the projects above in the order that they might actually happen. I think project #1 is likely in the next few years, since there is a compelling financial return-on-investment with that project and the USFS really wants to see expanded snow play opportunities in the forest, especially in already-developed areas. Project #2 has a reasonable chance of being funded at some point through a federal grant. There seems to be less interest project #4 now, compared to ten years ago when the Master Plan was in development. MBSEF has shifted its fundraising priority, now focused on building an in-town headquarters in Bend. It’s unlikely that project #4 will actually happen, in my opinion.
The lift ideas below are currently not included in any official plans, but they’ve been discussed and could be included in future proposals:
1. Replace Pine Marten lift. This detachable quad lift isn’t very old (2006), but it has high hours from running every day, 11 months a year for 15 years & counting. The replacement lift would be a 6-pack / 8-passenger gondola telemix, in a new alignment starting near the bottom of Red Chair and ending at the same spot next to the mid-mountain Pine Marten Lodge. With an enclosed connector to Pine Marten Lodge, the gondola cabins would accommodate evening operations year-round and expand use of the lift to non-skiing guests who want to visit the lodge and enjoy lunch or dinner. The new bottom terminal location – next to the parking lot and Mountain Gateway building (where retail & ticketing operations are headquartered) – would be much more convenient for skiing and non-skiing guests. The new alignment would also get the towers off of the main face of Thunderbird run.
2. In tandem with #1, shorten the existing Pine Marten lift. The relocated top terminal would be near the top of the half pipe (at existing tower #6, which is very close to where the old Yellow Chair terminated). Serving the half pipe and park competition arena, this quick-lapping lift would mainly operate on weekends/holidays and for events. If it’s determined that the existing Pine Marten detachable is at the end of its life and should be retired instead, then a new fixed-grip quad could replace it in this shorter alignment… using the existing towers and Doppelmayr EJ chairs (with new hanger arms & fixed grips).
3. Replace Outback lift. This detachable quad is 34 years old. My feeling is that the company might stall as long possible on Outback’s replacement since it will be a painfully large spend on a project that most guests won’t even notice. The company could let the lift limp along indefinitely (safely, of course), perhaps on a more limited operating schedule. Northwest lift covers all of Outback’s terrain, so Outback is a redundant lift from a terrain access perspective. But if Mt. Bachelor continues to grow its skier visit count, two lifts are necessary to handle the traffic on that side of the mountain.
4. Replace Skyliner lift. This detachable quad is 32 years old and might best be replaced with a 6-pack. It might be worthwhile to lower the top terminal slightly such that you could still access Summit Crossover run (and get to Summit lift), without poking up quite as high into the wind. A lowered top terminal would not allow access to the Upper Cliffhanger racing start area, however, so that’s an issue that would need to be considered.
5. Not a new lift, but an idea to increase initial morning lift capacity on storm days: Build indoor storage barns for the detachable chairs on key lifts. Not having to deice grips after a night of icing & riming will significantly quicken the morning start-up process and increase the probability that more lifts can open right at 9:00am on popular (yet icy & rimey) powder days. Lines will be shorter overall with more options for guests to spread out right at the opening bell.
Bill Healy was a visionary ! He could and did see things that others did not! Get to the top, develop Tumalo Mt, develop the east side! He was so far ahead of his time!
That would be good but Mt Bachelor had to give up its permit on Mt Tumalo to build Summit Express and forest service will deny any East side expansion.
1. Pine Marten 6/8 Chondola 3,600 pph. Although the existing lift is not that old, this would be for adding capacity as well as adding cabins for summer tourism; cabins would be used in winter too.
2. Skyliner Express HSS 3,200 pph. The existing lift has maitnence problems and is getting old and could use a little boost in capacity.
3. Shorter Red Chair 1,200 pph. This would be shortened to create a new alpine racing training center like the master plan states, Outback and Northwest would still be accessible by the saddle on the cinder cone.
4. Outback Express HSS 2,400 pph. Replaced for age and HSS for wind purposes and reduced capacity since Northwest serves all its terrain.
5. Rainbow Express HSQ 1,800 pph. This lift would have the original length of the Rainbow chair with slatted backrests for wind reasons. It would be used as another way to reach Cloudchaser.
6. Cow’s Face Express HSQ 1,200 pph. This would likely never happen but it would be used to lap Cow’s Face, East Bowls, and Route 66. Slatted backrests for wind purposes.
On the USFS page for the Skyliner replacement, it shows the old towers being stored near the bottom of Rainbow. I am wondering if this is just temporary until they could be hauled off or could they potentially be re-used for a future upgrade of Rainbow (or Red) to a HSQ? https://usfs-public.app.box.com/v/PinyonPublic/file/1022030301788
If it’s on the Forest Service page (I did see that) it’s likely temporary as part of the old lift removal process. Bottom of Rainbow is out of the way and things can be left there longer than if they were dropped in the Blue lot (allowing my counterparts time to bust everything down for salvage and recycling) because it’s also probable that the Blue lot will be used for staging of the new lift components.
Does anyone know the origin of the new Skyliner Express six-pack? there are unverified claims that it is a surplus chair from Sochi which was intended as a transport chair, not an uphill conveyance which is why it has experienced grip issues. Personally, I have not experienced any issues and it appears to operate as designed.
I am not a lifty and have no inside information, but that Sochi story sounds like a social media generated urban legend. Those Olympics were in 2014 and the Skyliner lift’s bull wheel didn’t break until 2022. Up until then, there were no plans for replacement for the lift. The new 6-Pack was ordered in 2022 but not in time to be installed that summer so the bull wheel for the Quad was sent out and repaired in order for Sky to limp along for the 22/23 season. I find it hard to believe Dopplymeyer or anyone else was sitting on a chair lift for 8 years just waiting to unload it on a resort looking to save a few bucks – even for POWDR Corp. that would be a stretch.
Those pics bring back memories. The original Chair 1 (Later called Black) started higher up when there was still a parking lot at the Eagan (or “Upper”) Lodge. We all learned to herringbone up that ramp pretty quick as there wasn’t much space at the top to be the next one on the lift. The run under the lift – sometimes called “Yellow Run” – was a mogul field for the hot dogs to show off. There was also a rope tow between the chair and the lodge. Sometime in the 70’s Black Chair was struck by lightning and as part of the rebuild the base was moved lower to the Main Lodge area as the Eagan lot had been closed. I remember being on that lift in high winds and the chairs swinging and hitting the towers. No safety bars back then.
The top terminal of Chair 3 (later called “Yellow”) was high and downright scary for beginner skiers to unload.
The rope tow you are talking about was named Murray Meadow. Murray helped build Egan Lodge. He asked Mr. Healy to name a lift after him. So when it was removed Orange should have been called Murray Meadow chair lift. Little Pine / Sunshine should have be name after him also! Chair One was just called the chair until red went in. The best bump run was right under The Chair/ Chair One/ Black Chair , on the last steep part on the run! When Red went in Thunder Bird ( run named after rock formation / outcropping on Broken Top) became our signature bump run.
I love new doplomyer liftsApril 21, 2025 / 3:51 pm
Any pics of the Sunrise YAN (Lift Engineering) triple, I have always been super curious about it, and I know that it was located to Carousel Chair (Whoops… I mean Alpenglow 😉), but have wondered what a YAN triple lift would look like up Sunrise Express’s line
In a Wayback Machine capture from November 1996, the Mt. Bachelor website listed “1 double chair” on their mountain statistics page. Unfortunately they didn’t have the trail map on the website at that time so I can’t figure out which one. My guess would be probably the old Outback.
Just checked a trail map from around that time and it looks like the double chair the website mentioned was Yellow. According to other maps from skimap.org, Yellow chair remained on the trail map until around 2001.
I fell that Mt. Bachelor could have kept the Yellow chair. It could serve as a beginner lift to access lower Leeway and Midway, and your access to the Half Pipe and Performance Venue. And if the Eagan Lodge still existed, they could turn it into a daycare center, clearing up room in the west village lodge
in the summer, they could build a alpine slide from the top of said yellow chair to the bottom of pine marten. Also, it could serve as a beginner biking lift.
obviously, yellow chair was removed (in 2001) but they could get a new Dopelmayr double to run it’s line
The entire front side from West Village needs to be reimagined especially concerning the underutilized Pine Marten Lodge. In addition, all services and bottom lift terminals should be at parking lot level. So, in the spirit of spending other people’s money, I would propose the following: 1. A gondola from around the base of Red to to the Pine Marten Lodge with an enclosed, weather protected top terminal. This would allow the lodge to be used year around for sight seeing, dinners for non-skiers, weddings, meetings, etc. Even better, make it 2 stage with the next leg going up West Ridge to the summit (a guy can dream..). 2. Replace the West Village day lodge with a more functional building at parking lot level. 3. Red Chair was to be “modernized” and shortened according to the last MDP. I really don’t see the reason to shorten the lift so keep the top where it is now. As far as replacing it, a detachable 6 pack would get people out of the parking lot the best. 4. Shorten Pine Marten to about tower 7. This lift could be used almost exclusively for riders of the halfpipe and terrain features under the chair. Again if possible, lower the base to the parking lot. 5. Little Pine is a really good beginner lift but kind of a pain to get to – especially if dragging a couple little kids with you. If possible lower its base to the parking lot. If not, there may need to be lift constructed from the parking lot to ferry beginners to the base of Little Pine.
Again, it’s easy to spend other people’s money but is still a fun exercise while riding up the lifts to think of stuff like this.
Mr. Healy’s plan was to extend some of the lifts to the parking lot. We had a chair called Yellow ( Chair 3) that was removed that would have worked great for the half pipe. However it was old and had many problems is it was removed. Red was super to become a high speed quad! Remember that the area when opened in 1958 started further up the hill with a small lodge , poma lift and two rope tows. When West Village was built it had a circular parking lot in front of the lodge.
I agree; pine marten should be replaced with a 2 stage gondola. They Relly should add an overnight hotel to the West Village Base! I think that a magic carpet could be used to relay little kids to the base of little pine
The West Village Lodge originally was a small hotel but converted to a day lodge after only a few years in operation. I think Bachelor is now large enough and there is enough off season activities to support year around overnight lodging. It may take an act of Congress (which is not impossible) but I would revive Mr. Healy’s “East Side Village” off the Sunriver road plan from the 80’s and include a hotel there. Would probably just need 3 lifts out of that pod: A beginner, one ending near the top of Cloudchaser and another in the area of the “East/West Divide”. Not the most challenging terrain but would be weather protected with easy access to the rest of the mountain.
AGREED! Mt. Bacholer should definitely build a hotel. I was thinking the same thing, mt. Bachelor relly could build the east base. After all, POWDR said that they would “work on improving and upgrading” ;)
When the Pape’s “had” controlling interest over Mt. Bachelor, they acquired 30% ownership at Inn at the 7th Mountain. It was actually going to turn into an Intrawest Resort, but all the Bend lodging entities convinced them not too. Then Powdr showed up and were able to take controlling interest. The issue is, when you have a great ski area next to a great town, it’s hard to stop progression. Every large ski area has gone through this. Only a handful have not. Now Whitefish and Schweitzer are. It’s progression. Only a few outliers remains, like Targhee.
maybe we should use these comments as a petition for the forest sirvice…everyone like my comment as a petition haha. I mean I guess if you wanted to you could send a screenshot to donald
I think it would be cool if mt. Bacholer made a t-bar from the summit top terminal to the true summit of the mountain. It could be a Dopelmayr S-Line (https://www.doppelmayr.com/en/systems/surface-lifts/), but would need height adjust able to terminals because of the amount of snow
Why? That’s not much of a walk, and maintaining anything at the top of an isolated volcano can be challenging in the calmest of times. With a few notable adaptive-skier exceptions, if you can ski the terrain off the true summit, you can walk there. Some of y’all’s wish lists are getting a bit outa hand. (Skier Boi, here’s lookin at you.)
Magic Carpet. It’s in the 2013 Master Plan. Not sure why it hasn’t happened yet as it would be more beneficial that Early Riser which I still don’t get. Early Riser could be a nice free chair if it was graded correctly. Maybe awaiting on USFS approval.
The 2013 Master Plan shows that 2 new magic carpets are to/have been built at the sunrise base. The first magic carpet was in Early Riser’s line-I assume this is not a magic carpet due to all of the small hills on the line. The second one can be a magic carpet, because there is not much terrain obstacles in the way. The person (who works for SunKid, the magic carpet company) said that that micro carpet to the left of early riser (removed last year) will be extended and used for this line
slice red in half and make the bottom half be a high speed quad basically a late replacement for yellow called azoe express
make a gondola from the bottom of red red but a bit farther west and ending @ the summit with a mid on top of pmx lodge also with a fast line speed of about 1300 accomplished by a long terminal
make a northwest bubble 6 but with a bottom terminal southwest of the existing one
make rainbow hsq as a beginner park lift
make a small lodge at the bottom of new northwest with eating tickets and restrooms
comstruct a Top It (serving wraps and small little food combos) at the top of cloudchaser and a little hut at the very summit
build a backside 4CLD bubble with a mid at treeline and have the bottom station be southeast of tott butte
up grade sunrise to a 6 pack with one more lift pole at the top to go about 110 ft
groome a run being the eastern most run on early riser and have it serve 9 new cabins(if donald says we can)3 duluxe and 6 regular
put a hotel on the top of the base to summit gondola
btw the blue chair ran til 1993 as a maintnance chair
I believe Mt B is too windy to operate bubbles, at least on the North & West faces. They may work for a lift on an East Side base off the Sunriver road. The better addition for NWX would be a permanent or seasonal (like the Palmer Lift) midway loading station around towers 13 -15 so the top half of the lift could operate through the Spring. A lift to the SW could be a shorter lower capacity fixed grip with a base around 6200-6300′ with a top around 8000′ located in the vicinity of boundary signs 18-23 (Mt B’s permit area is far below the existing catch line ) which would open up really good terrain especially when Summit can’t operate.
I’d shorten Pine Marten to a little above the half pipe and make Red a 6 pack -along with a gondola to the PM Lodge and beyond. The West Village Lodge needs to be replaced as it has been remodeled too many times since it was originally built as motel to count and just doesn’t function. There is only so much rouge you can put on a pig and that heated sidewalk is a pain in the rear. Replace it with a modern building at parking lot level and move the bases of Pine and Little Pine down there as well.
The MDP of over 10 years ago has Sunrise as a 6 pack, Rainbow a quad and a functional new lodge on that side. Still waiting…
Considering Blue’s line runs up a terrain park, that would be a bit of a mess if done literally. Even if you wanted to run a T-bar most of the way up Cliffhanger (it is straight after crossing Avalanche), the Getback halfway up would make that impossible. It isn’t even closed during races, patrol just periodically stops traffic to let racers go through.
A wild Dylan appeared!September 30, 2025 / 1:47 am
Considering that the area right above Cloudchaser’s top terminal isn’t flat, the lodge/mid-station might be a bit challenging to access. Walking up a flight up of stairs in ski boots and carrying gear while possibly being battered by wind and trying not to slip on ice sounds a bit sketchy.
Valid point. Some of the ski areas that I have been to in the United States and Japan do you escalators. However, I think earth removal would be required and that’s not cheap with this being lava.
When Pine Marten was “replaced” in 2006, they replaced the terminals and grips, but kept the chairs and towers. I think that Pine Marten is simply at the end of its career. Having long hours as a winter AND summer lift, it simply cannot keep up with large crowds, and the hideous conditions at mid-mountain. As I’ve mentioned before, it should be at least replaced with a UNI-G (or D-Line) Six-Pack, and maybe gondola cabins for summer tourism.
I feel like pine marten is long overdue to be replaced, considering it was not completely replaced in 2006, and operates as a summer and winter lift. Not to mention the horrendous conditions at the top of pine marten lodge. I think a D-Line 6 Pack would do the trick, though knowing mt. Bachelor, it would probably be a UNI-G, it would also be cool with gondola cabins for summer tourism.
The entire West Village base area probably needs to be reimagined to connect the huge parking lot to the Pine Martin Lodge for year around use as that building is completely underutilized. If money was no object I’d tear down the West Village Lodge and replace it with a functional building at parking lot level. Then replace Pine Martin with a Gondola with weather protected terminals directly connected to both lodges . This may or not be in the same alignment as the existing lift as it may need to head up Grotto rather than Thunderbird. And since we are spending other people’s money, make it a 2 stage system and continue up West Ridge to the top. Build a shorter lift (return of Yellow Chair?) from the parking lot to service the half pipe and terrain park. Extend the base of Little Pine to the parking lot. Red chair was supposed to be replaced in the last approved plan and shortened for some reason. It would make more sense to replace it with a 6 pack and keep the same top or even extend higher.
Now just need 9 figures of $$$’s to make it happen….
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Do you know why the Silver Streak Sxpress is not found on the trail maps from 1983-1997? What terminals did this lift have for an 83 install?
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Silver Streak Express was the original name for the Summit Express which was a detachable triple from 1983-1997 before the current quad went in. The same enclosed terminal buildings were used for both lifts.
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There was also talk that Healy floated the name Sunrise for the lift to the top
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Was the skiing as good as MT Hood this last year? I see my former teacher at Welches is still hitting it. You know my Ski team won state in HS at Sandy. Your lessons paid off. Mike Wall. Ie.. tennis champ if you remember as well.
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How long did that name last? I remember it as Summit from March of ’87. (I know that memory is fickle.) My “I’m 6 years or less and I Ski Free at Mt Bachelor” ticket is still on the wall and M&P’s house. In case anyone cares.
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Yellow was actually a Riblet/Yan Hybrid Chairlift. It featured Yan drive and return terminals while the line equipment and carriers were all Riblet.
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The original Yellow chair or chair #3 when it was built replaced a T-Bar. The original had a unloading station that was tough for beginners. It was configured later by Yan using a lot of the original Riblet.
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Thank you Steve. Chair 3 was built in the summer of 1966 the same year the overnight Main Lodge (West Village) was built. Chair 3 became Yellow in November of 1973. Chair three was originally a Riblet as you said. The top and bottom terminals were reconfigured in the summer of 1981by Yan.
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Any pictures of removed mt bachelor lifts?
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https://www.facebook.com/Lost-Oregon-Ski-Areas-145328032957902/?eid=ARBP8Y
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There are pictures of the old pine martin express chair on ski lifts.org
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Just rode and recorded Northwest today. It’s longgggg!
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Rainbow Chair (Yan) was shortened and now only rises 600 ft and is 3280 ft. long
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I’ve always been super curious about the original Summit Express high speed triple. I never can find any photos or information on it!
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Built in 1983, pre-EJ chairs (the ones with the green plastic slats), DS grips. I have a few photos from when I was 10 or so, not long after the lift was built, but they’re at my parents’ house and I’d have to scan them anyway :)
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Someone is selling the number plates for the high-speed triple chair on ebay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Ski-Lift-Chairlift-Numbers-from-Mt-Bachelor-Ski-Resort-Bend-Oregon/283588630046?hash=item420733161e:g:0hYAAOSwsc5dXm19
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I’m pretty sure Cloudchaser’s uphill capacity is 2,800 pph, not 2,400 pph.
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Anybody know why old Pine Marten got replaced while Outback stayed? Both CLD-260’s and Outback is only one year newer.
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Pine Marten had more hours on it as a summer lift, I think.
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Makes sense, I’ll bet old Pine Marten has probably helped keep Outback alive as a parts lift.
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The things it would be a part donor for would be for the terminals and the chair grips. Pine Marten retained all its chairs and towers.
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Nope… Mt. Bachelor’s summer operations started in the 2010s. I think that Pine Marten actually hade more hours by being a base area lift
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They replaced the chairs on some of the lifts, including Pine Marten, Outback and NWX, with new Dopp quad chairs with spring-loaded restraint bars.
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These new chairs are still EJs, though, so most people wouldn’t necessarily notice until they lower/raise the bars.
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It’s quite likely they just replaced the comfort bars. The EC/EJ carriers are pretty modular that way. You can remove the pivot points from the backrest and replace them with different kinds.
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Rainbow’s stats haven’t been updated to reflect its length after being shortened.
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Summit Express has 106 chairs, not 99.
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“In the early 1990s, Mount Bachelor had intentions of installing an 8 passenger high speed gondola which would run from the Sunriver access road to the base area of the Sunrise lodge. However, while marketed in ski magazines, this gondola was never built.”
That’s an excerpt from Wikipedia. This one is a bit of a head scratcher. The only purpose I could really see this serving is adding additional, gondola accessed parking. Or maybe additional development like a village or something with overnight accomodations. Mt. Bachelor does seem to be the largest day ski operation I know of, with no on-mountain or adjacent overnight accomodations. Everyone drives up, and then back home or to a hotel.
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Mt. Bachelor had lots of wealthy private investors, which is how it was able to grow so quickly in the late 80s and 90s. I know that there was another HSQ planned off the summit near Cow’s Face and that the Northwest Express was originally going to be a gondola, but the USFS would not allow Mt. Bachelor to put a parking lot on that side of the mountain. In addition, Mt. Bachelor gave up its permit on Tumalo Mountain to install the Summit Express so that it could have 360 degree skiing.
In regards to the gondola mentioned on Wikipedia, here is one source. February, 1987 issue of SKIING Magazine.
https://ibb.co/pPpfn6j
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That’s really cool to find out! Also on the Wikipedia page for Mt. Bachelor, it mentioned that Rainbow was going to be replaced with a detachable quad, and Sunrise Express with a detachable six pack.
Now with Rainbow shortened, I’m assuming a Rainbow Express will never happen. Did Cloudchaser essentially cancel Rainbow Express, and do you think there will ever be a detachable chairlift up Cow’s Face, making it the next terrain expansion beyond Cloudchaser Express?
It’s really interesting to see how Northwest Express was originally planned to be a gondola, with a third base down there, but with no base and access being purely limited to skiers and snowboarders who already have their skis/boards on their feet, I can see why they just went with a detachable quad.
It seems like Mt. Bachelor doesn’t have an investment issue or revenue issue, rather they’re constantly struggling with the Forest Service. They had to sacrifice Tumalo Mountain, and couldn’t build a restaurant on the top of the mountain like they originally had hoped. It’s also probably why there isn’t any immediate overnight accomodations for a resort that gets as much tourism as it does.
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Wikipedia’s record on Mt. Bachelor isn’t quite accurate, especially regarding the location of a proposed gondola.
1981 MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN
Primary Base Areas & Lodges:
– Retain Main (West Village) Base
– Construct Flycreek (Sunrise) Base
– Construct East Base with access off of Sunriver Road
– Construct West Base 1/2 mile west of original Outback lift base
– Construct Mid-Mountain Lodge at top of Sunrise / bottom of Summit lifts
– Construct Summit Lodge at the top of the mountain
– Retain and improve the existing Blue Lodge
– Retain the existing Egan Lodge
Lifts:
– Retain Outback, Red, Yellow, Orange, Black, Green & Blue lifts (but “remodel” the lifts as needed)
– Construct Avalanche (Sunrise) and Flycreek (Rainbow) lifts to serve the proposed Flycreek (Sunrise) Base
– Construct Summit lift to the top of Mt Bachelor (the lift was known as both the Sunrise lift and Silver Streak lift in planning stages)
– Construct West & Northwest lifts
– Construct Shangrila lift (this lift morphed into what is now Cloudchaser, in a longer alignment)
– Construct Relayer lift from East Base to Shangrila lift
– Construct Tram from the East Base to the summit
– Construct East lift from the East base, serving the lowest section of Tram terrain
– Construct Mr. Bill lift in its own terrain pod southwest of the Tram
MAP: https://imgur.com/a/lzpJvVI
Between 1981 and 1985, the Avalanche (Sunrise), Flycreek (Rainbow) and Summit lifts from the above plan were constructed, along with the Flycreek (Sunrise) Base area.
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1986 MASTER PLAN UPDATE
In the mid 1980s, as a result of the rapid change in the ski industry with the development of high-speed detachable chairlift technology, Mt. Bachelor revised its Master Plan. Known as the 1986 Master Plan Update, this wasn’t considered a new Master Plan; it was an approved update based on industry changes and the need to react to those changes. Below are the 1986 changes to the 1981 plan.
Base Areas:
– Expand the Main (West Village) Base
– Retain the recently-constructed Sunrise Base
– Move the existing Blue & Egan Lodges
– Delete the West Base near Outback lift
– Delete the Mid-Mountain Lodge at the top of Sunrise / bottom of Summit lifts
– Add a Mid-Mountain Lodge on the bench at the junction of the proposed Sunriver Gondola and 7th Heaven Express lifts
– Add a Mid-Mountain Lodge (Pine Marten Lodge) at the top of the Pine Marten & Outback Express lifts
Lifts:
– Replace the Black & Red chairs with the Big Red (Pine Marten) Express
– Replace the Blue & Green chairs with the Big Blue (Skyliner) Express
– Replace the Orange & Yellow chairs with the Orange Express (Sunshine Accelerator / Little Pine)
– Construct new Outback and Northwest Express lifts; delete the West lift
– Retain the recently-constructed Sunrise, Rainbow & Summit lifts
– Retain the proposed Shangrila (Cloudchaser), Relayer and East Beginner lifts
– Delete the Tram from the East Base, replace it with two lifts: Sunriver Gondola from the East Base to mid-mountain and 7th Heaven Express from mid-mountain to the summit
– Delete the Mt. Bill lift and replace it with the East Express
MAP: https://imgur.com/a/O4KGltY
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2013 MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN
In the late 2000s, new leadership at Mt. Bachelor publicly recognized that the last approved Master Plan – from 1986 – had become obsolete and was no longer a useful planning tool. All of the approved lift upgrades had been completed, except for those that were associated with the proposed East Base – a concept that was still far from necessary given the current and projected skier visit counts. Yet the resort was in desperate need for some lift & facility upgrades (mainly focused at the Sunrise base), a modest expansion to create more skiable terrain on stormy days (Cloudchaser), and an investment in the summer experience (mountain biking & zip lines). Five years after planning started, the 2013 Master Plan was approved.
Mt. Bachelor’s 2013 Master Plan differed significantly from the 1980s-era plans. First, it was less ambitious, yet much more practical – with a roster of projects that could realistically be finished in the Plan’s 10-year timeline. More importantly, though, Mt Bachelor took the entire 2013 Plan through the NEPA (National Environmental Policy Act) process and received formal approval from the USFS for every project in the Plan.
The East Base was not included in the 2013 Master Plan. If desired, the resort must develop a new Master Plan and go through the NEPA process in order to move forward on the East Base concept the future. A doubling of the annual skier visit count is probably necessary before it would make sense for the company to get serious about the East Base project and its associated lifts & lodges.
Also not included in the 2013 Master Plan: Lodging. Interestingly, the Northwest Forest Plan, signed into law by President Clinton in 1994, specifically prohibits Mt. Bachelor from adding overnight accommodations on the mountain. It would require another act of congress and signature by the president of the United States in order for Mt. Bachelor to pursue on-mountain lodging in the future.
Mt. Bachelor’s 2013 Master Development Plan is here: https://www.fs.usda.gov/nfs/11558/www/nepa/78483_FSPLT2_375413.pdf
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These master plans explain a lot…
It’s not that Mt. Bachelor doesn’t have the visitation or the revenue, it’s simply legal barriers they face in regards to adding things that even many smaller resorts can have, such as gondolas, more than 2 bases, and overnight accomodations on the mountain.
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Aside from the overnight lodging situation, Deschutes National Forest leadership has been quite supportive of development at Mt Bachelor during the past couple decades. The 2013 Master Plan sailed through the process without any serious objections. When crafting the plan, the partnership between Mt Bachelor and the Deschutes National Forecast was the ideal model for how a public/private collaborative process should work.
Mt Bachelor’s owner, POWDR, has invested significantly on Mt Bachelor’s Master Plan projects during the past five years – from the Cloudchaser expansion to the mountain bike park, zip line, Sunrise Lodge remodel and the Woodward Mountain Park initiative, which brought a new quad chair and two new carpets. Approved in the plan but yet to be constructed are a new, larger Sunrise Lodge, a six-pack replacement for Sunrise Express and a high-speed quad replacement for Rainbow Chair (potentially with the existing Sunrise Express equipment – but that lift is getting old). However, skier visit counts have not been consistently high enough to prove the need for those very expensive investments as of yet.
The other significant, not-yet-built projects that are approved in the 2013 Master Plan:
1) New tubing & family snow play complex across the West Village parking lot from the existing tubing area (the trees were cleared for this in 2014).
2) Biomass plant in partnership with the USFS; the steam heat generated from burning natural forest fuels would replace the mountain’s propane heat system.
3) Remodel & expand West Village Lodge (bar side) and demolish the unsightly ski patrol & generator buildings next to it.
4) Shorten Red Chair and repurpose that terrain pod into an alpine race training complex. The relocated top terminal of Red would be high enough such that you could still get to Outback/Northwest (through the Cinder Cone saddle area and lower Ed’s Garden run) but low enough to get the lift out of the wind. In partnership with the local non-profit ski team organization (MBSEF), a new Alpine Training Center building at the bottom of Red Chair would replace the Junior Race Center (Blue Lodge).
I’ve listed the projects above in the order that they might actually happen. I think project #1 is likely in the next few years, since there is a compelling financial return-on-investment with that project and the USFS really wants to see expanded snow play opportunities in the forest, especially in already-developed areas. Project #2 has a reasonable chance of being funded at some point through a federal grant. There seems to be less interest project #4 now, compared to ten years ago when the Master Plan was in development. MBSEF has shifted its fundraising priority, now focused on building an in-town headquarters in Bend. It’s unlikely that project #4 will actually happen, in my opinion.
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BEYOND THE 2013 MASTER PLAN
The lift ideas below are currently not included in any official plans, but they’ve been discussed and could be included in future proposals:
1. Replace Pine Marten lift. This detachable quad lift isn’t very old (2006), but it has high hours from running every day, 11 months a year for 15 years & counting. The replacement lift would be a 6-pack / 8-passenger gondola telemix, in a new alignment starting near the bottom of Red Chair and ending at the same spot next to the mid-mountain Pine Marten Lodge. With an enclosed connector to Pine Marten Lodge, the gondola cabins would accommodate evening operations year-round and expand use of the lift to non-skiing guests who want to visit the lodge and enjoy lunch or dinner. The new bottom terminal location – next to the parking lot and Mountain Gateway building (where retail & ticketing operations are headquartered) – would be much more convenient for skiing and non-skiing guests. The new alignment would also get the towers off of the main face of Thunderbird run.
2. In tandem with #1, shorten the existing Pine Marten lift. The relocated top terminal would be near the top of the half pipe (at existing tower #6, which is very close to where the old Yellow Chair terminated). Serving the half pipe and park competition arena, this quick-lapping lift would mainly operate on weekends/holidays and for events. If it’s determined that the existing Pine Marten detachable is at the end of its life and should be retired instead, then a new fixed-grip quad could replace it in this shorter alignment… using the existing towers and Doppelmayr EJ chairs (with new hanger arms & fixed grips).
3. Replace Outback lift. This detachable quad is 34 years old. My feeling is that the company might stall as long possible on Outback’s replacement since it will be a painfully large spend on a project that most guests won’t even notice. The company could let the lift limp along indefinitely (safely, of course), perhaps on a more limited operating schedule. Northwest lift covers all of Outback’s terrain, so Outback is a redundant lift from a terrain access perspective. But if Mt. Bachelor continues to grow its skier visit count, two lifts are necessary to handle the traffic on that side of the mountain.
4. Replace Skyliner lift. This detachable quad is 32 years old and might best be replaced with a 6-pack. It might be worthwhile to lower the top terminal slightly such that you could still access Summit Crossover run (and get to Summit lift), without poking up quite as high into the wind. A lowered top terminal would not allow access to the Upper Cliffhanger racing start area, however, so that’s an issue that would need to be considered.
5. Not a new lift, but an idea to increase initial morning lift capacity on storm days: Build indoor storage barns for the detachable chairs on key lifts. Not having to deice grips after a night of icing & riming will significantly quicken the morning start-up process and increase the probability that more lifts can open right at 9:00am on popular (yet icy & rimey) powder days. Lines will be shorter overall with more options for guests to spread out right at the opening bell.
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Good job Drew! Thank you!
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Bill Healy was a visionary ! He could and did see things that others did not! Get to the top, develop Tumalo Mt, develop the east side! He was so far ahead of his time!
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That would be good but Mt Bachelor had to give up its permit on Mt Tumalo to build Summit Express and forest service will deny any East side expansion.
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spreadsheet doesnt wanna load. i tried resetting google chrome cache like Peter has told me and everyone else. No luck
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Try incognito mode, that usually fixes it.
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Lift Proposal for Mt Bachelor
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1PWC9td4RvcjVW9uNbNaZOXRNfFibhKO3&usp=sharing
1. Pine Marten 6/8 Chondola 3,600 pph. Although the existing lift is not that old, this would be for adding capacity as well as adding cabins for summer tourism; cabins would be used in winter too.
2. Skyliner Express HSS 3,200 pph. The existing lift has maitnence problems and is getting old and could use a little boost in capacity.
3. Shorter Red Chair 1,200 pph. This would be shortened to create a new alpine racing training center like the master plan states, Outback and Northwest would still be accessible by the saddle on the cinder cone.
4. Outback Express HSS 2,400 pph. Replaced for age and HSS for wind purposes and reduced capacity since Northwest serves all its terrain.
5. Rainbow Express HSQ 1,800 pph. This lift would have the original length of the Rainbow chair with slatted backrests for wind reasons. It would be used as another way to reach Cloudchaser.
6. Cow’s Face Express HSQ 1,200 pph. This would likely never happen but it would be used to lap Cow’s Face, East Bowls, and Route 66. Slatted backrests for wind purposes.
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Some lift stats: Northwest has 28 towers, not 23.
Rainbow has 103 chairs, Red has 107 chairs.
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On the USFS page for the Skyliner replacement, it shows the old towers being stored near the bottom of Rainbow. I am wondering if this is just temporary until they could be hauled off or could they potentially be re-used for a future upgrade of Rainbow (or Red) to a HSQ?
https://usfs-public.app.box.com/v/PinyonPublic/file/1022030301788
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If it’s on the Forest Service page (I did see that) it’s likely temporary as part of the old lift removal process. Bottom of Rainbow is out of the way and things can be left there longer than if they were dropped in the Blue lot (allowing my counterparts time to bust everything down for salvage and recycling) because it’s also probable that the Blue lot will be used for staging of the new lift components.
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Skyliners has Ben replaced with a six pack
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Does anyone know the origin of the new Skyliner Express six-pack? there are unverified claims that it is a surplus chair from Sochi which was intended as a transport chair, not an uphill conveyance which is why it has experienced grip issues. Personally, I have not experienced any issues and it appears to operate as designed.
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I am not a lifty and have no inside information, but that Sochi story sounds like a social media generated urban legend. Those Olympics were in 2014 and the Skyliner lift’s bull wheel didn’t break until 2022. Up until then, there were no plans for replacement for the lift. The new 6-Pack was ordered in 2022 but not in time to be installed that summer so the bull wheel for the Quad was sent out and repaired in order for Sky to limp along for the 22/23 season. I find it hard to believe Dopplymeyer or anyone else was sitting on a chair lift for 8 years just waiting to unload it on a resort looking to save a few bucks – even for POWDR Corp. that would be a stretch.
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Original Black double:
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Second picture is Chair 2 not the original Black
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Some more pics of the Red and Yellow doubles as well:
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Those pics bring back memories. The original Chair 1 (Later called Black) started higher up when there was still a parking lot at the Eagan (or “Upper”) Lodge. We all learned to herringbone up that ramp pretty quick as there wasn’t much space at the top to be the next one on the lift. The run under the lift – sometimes called “Yellow Run” – was a mogul field for the hot dogs to show off. There was also a rope tow between the chair and the lodge. Sometime in the 70’s Black Chair was struck by lightning and as part of the rebuild the base was moved lower to the Main Lodge area as the Eagan lot had been closed. I remember being on that lift in high winds and the chairs swinging and hitting the towers. No safety bars back then.
The top terminal of Chair 3 (later called “Yellow”) was high and downright scary for beginner skiers to unload.
Thanks for sharing
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The rope tow you are talking about was named Murray Meadow. Murray helped build Egan Lodge. He asked Mr. Healy to name a lift after him. So when it was removed Orange should have been called Murray Meadow chair lift. Little Pine / Sunshine should have be name after him also!
Chair One was just called the chair until red went in. The best bump run was right under The Chair/ Chair One/ Black Chair , on the last steep part on the run!
When Red went in Thunder Bird ( run named after rock formation / outcropping on Broken Top) became our signature bump run.
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Where did you find these photos??? Thanks for posting them :)
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Any pics of the Sunrise YAN (Lift Engineering) triple, I have always been super curious about it, and I know that it was located to Carousel Chair (Whoops… I mean Alpenglow 😉), but have wondered what a YAN triple lift would look like up Sunrise Express’s line
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Black chair was re-located to Herspus
https://liftblog.com/hesperus-co/
And the original Red Chair double:
https://liftblog.com/sitzmark-wa/
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In a Wayback Machine capture from November 1996, the Mt. Bachelor website listed “1 double chair” on their mountain statistics page. Unfortunately they didn’t have the trail map on the website at that time so I can’t figure out which one. My guess would be probably the old Outback.
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Just checked a trail map from around that time and it looks like the double chair the website mentioned was Yellow. According to other maps from skimap.org, Yellow chair remained on the trail map until around 2001.
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that was definitely yellow chair
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I fell that Mt. Bachelor could have kept the Yellow chair. It could serve as a beginner lift to access lower Leeway and Midway, and your access to the Half Pipe and Performance Venue. And if the Eagan Lodge still existed, they could turn it into a daycare center, clearing up room in the west village lodge
in the summer, they could build a alpine slide from the top of said yellow chair to the bottom of pine marten. Also, it could serve as a beginner biking lift.
obviously, yellow chair was removed (in 2001) but they could get a new Dopelmayr double to run it’s line
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The entire front side from West Village needs to be reimagined especially concerning the underutilized Pine Marten Lodge. In addition, all services and bottom lift terminals should be at parking lot level. So, in the spirit of spending other people’s money, I would propose the following: 1. A gondola from around the base of Red to to the Pine Marten Lodge with an enclosed, weather protected top terminal. This would allow the lodge to be used year around for sight seeing, dinners for non-skiers, weddings, meetings, etc. Even better, make it 2 stage with the next leg going up West Ridge to the summit (a guy can dream..). 2. Replace the West Village day lodge with a more functional building at parking lot level. 3. Red Chair was to be “modernized” and shortened according to the last MDP. I really don’t see the reason to shorten the lift so keep the top where it is now. As far as replacing it, a detachable 6 pack would get people out of the parking lot the best. 4. Shorten Pine Marten to about tower 7. This lift could be used almost exclusively for riders of the halfpipe and terrain features under the chair. Again if possible, lower the base to the parking lot. 5. Little Pine is a really good beginner lift but kind of a pain to get to – especially if dragging a couple little kids with you. If possible lower its base to the parking lot. If not, there may need to be lift constructed from the parking lot to ferry beginners to the base of Little Pine.
Again, it’s easy to spend other people’s money but is still a fun exercise while riding up the lifts to think of stuff like this.
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Mr. Healy’s plan was to extend some of the lifts to the parking lot. We had a chair called Yellow ( Chair 3) that was removed that would have worked great for the half pipe. However it was old and had many problems is it was removed. Red was super to become a high speed quad! Remember that the area when opened in 1958 started further up the hill with a small lodge , poma lift and two rope tows. When West Village was built it had a circular parking lot in front of the lodge.
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I agree; pine marten should be replaced with a 2 stage gondola. They Relly should add an overnight hotel to the West Village Base! I think that a magic carpet could be used to relay little kids to the base of little pine
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The West Village Lodge originally was a small hotel but converted to a day lodge after only a few years in operation. I think Bachelor is now large enough and there is enough off season activities to support year around overnight lodging. It may take an act of Congress (which is not impossible) but I would revive Mr. Healy’s “East Side Village” off the Sunriver road plan from the 80’s and include a hotel there. Would probably just need 3 lifts out of that pod: A beginner, one ending near the top of Cloudchaser and another in the area of the “East/West Divide”. Not the most challenging terrain but would be weather protected with easy access to the rest of the mountain.
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AGREED! Mt. Bacholer should definitely build a hotel. I was thinking the same thing, mt. Bachelor relly could build the east base. After all, POWDR said that they would “work on improving and upgrading” ;)
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Just found a much more detailed version of the 2013 master plan.
https://www.ecosign.com/projects/mt-bachelor
It shows constructing a new sunrise lodge! This is what they need, sunrise lodge is often overcrowded due to the large amounts of beginners
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When the Pape’s “had” controlling interest over Mt. Bachelor, they acquired 30% ownership at Inn at the 7th Mountain. It was actually going to turn into an Intrawest Resort, but all the Bend lodging entities convinced them not too. Then Powdr showed up and were able to take controlling interest. The issue is, when you have a great ski area next to a great town, it’s hard to stop progression. Every large ski area has gone through this. Only a handful have not. Now Whitefish and Schweitzer are. It’s progression. Only a few outliers remains, like Targhee.
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yes, while environmentalists and the forest service may oppose, mt. Bacholer should definitely expand.
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maybe we should use these comments as a petition for the forest sirvice…everyone like my comment as a petition haha. I mean I guess if you wanted to you could send a screenshot to donald
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I think it would be cool if mt. Bacholer made a t-bar from the summit top terminal to the true summit of the mountain. It could be a Dopelmayr S-Line (https://www.doppelmayr.com/en/systems/surface-lifts/), but would need height adjust able to terminals because of the amount of snow
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Why? That’s not much of a walk, and maintaining anything at the top of an isolated volcano can be challenging in the calmest of times. With a few notable adaptive-skier exceptions, if you can ski the terrain off the true summit, you can walk there. Some of y’all’s wish lists are getting a bit outa hand. (Skier Boi, here’s lookin at you.)
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I herd a rumor that they are planing on building a surface lift from the base of Rainbow Chair to the Alpenglow/Early Riser area
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Magic Carpet. It’s in the 2013 Master Plan. Not sure why it hasn’t happened yet as it would be more beneficial that Early Riser which I still don’t get. Early Riser could be a nice free chair if it was graded correctly. Maybe awaiting on USFS approval.
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The 2013 Master Plan shows that 2 new magic carpets are to/have been built at the sunrise base. The first magic carpet was in Early Riser’s line-I assume this is not a magic carpet due to all of the small hills on the line. The second one can be a magic carpet, because there is not much terrain obstacles in the way. The person (who works for SunKid, the magic carpet company) said that that micro carpet to the left of early riser (removed last year) will be extended and used for this line
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Yes… I mean magic carpet-stated in the 2013 master plan
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here is my master plan
slice red in half and make the bottom half be a high speed quad basically a late replacement for yellow called azoe express
make a gondola from the bottom of red red but a bit farther west and ending @ the summit with a mid on top of pmx lodge also with a fast line speed of about 1300 accomplished by a long terminal
make a northwest bubble 6 but with a bottom terminal southwest of the existing one
make rainbow hsq as a beginner park lift
make a small lodge at the bottom of new northwest with eating tickets and restrooms
comstruct a Top It (serving wraps and small little food combos) at the top of cloudchaser and a little hut at the very summit
build a backside 4CLD bubble with a mid at treeline and have the bottom station be southeast of tott butte
up grade sunrise to a 6 pack with one more lift pole at the top to go about 110 ft
groome a run being the eastern most run on early riser and have it serve 9 new cabins(if donald says we can)3 duluxe and 6 regular
put a hotel on the top of the base to summit gondola
btw the blue chair ran til 1993 as a maintnance chair
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I believe Mt B is too windy to operate bubbles, at least on the North & West faces. They may work for a lift on an East Side base off the Sunriver road. The better addition for NWX would be a permanent or seasonal (like the Palmer Lift) midway loading station around towers 13 -15 so the top half of the lift could operate through the Spring. A lift to the SW could be a shorter lower capacity fixed grip with a base around 6200-6300′ with a top around 8000′ located in the vicinity of boundary signs 18-23 (Mt B’s permit area is far below the existing catch line ) which would open up really good terrain especially when Summit can’t operate.
I’d shorten Pine Marten to a little above the half pipe and make Red a 6 pack -along with a gondola to the PM Lodge and beyond. The West Village Lodge needs to be replaced as it has been remodeled too many times since it was originally built as motel to count and just doesn’t function. There is only so much rouge you can put on a pig and that heated sidewalk is a pain in the rear. Replace it with a modern building at parking lot level and move the bases of Pine and Little Pine down there as well.
The MDP of over 10 years ago has Sunrise as a 6 pack, Rainbow a quad and a functional new lodge on that side. Still waiting…
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I think Pine Marten would be best being kept in its current alignment but replaced with a chondola of the 6 pack chairs / 10 passenger cabin variety.
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They should make a new Dopelmayr T-Bar up the line of the old blue chair for MBSEF race acsess
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Considering Blue’s line runs up a terrain park, that would be a bit of a mess if done literally. Even if you wanted to run a T-bar most of the way up Cliffhanger (it is straight after crossing Avalanche), the Getback halfway up would make that impossible. It isn’t even closed during races, patrol just periodically stops traffic to let racers go through.
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In regards to Mt. Bachelor’s master plans, here is my take on expansion. The gondola’s midway station would be in another on mountain lodge.
https://ibb.co/cPFKDXt
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Considering that the area right above Cloudchaser’s top terminal isn’t flat, the lodge/mid-station might be a bit challenging to access. Walking up a flight up of stairs in ski boots and carrying gear while possibly being battered by wind and trying not to slip on ice sounds a bit sketchy.
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Valid point. Some of the ski areas that I have been to in the United States and Japan do you escalators. However, I think earth removal would be required and that’s not cheap with this being lava.
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I think that would be a relly good idea. A D-Line R1 would probably do the job. But Knowing Mt. Bachelor, it would probably just be another UNI G
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The original pine martin express had some interesting terminals, it looks like the bottom one was height adjustable:
All photos taken from Skilift.org
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It had height adjustable CLD-260 terminals just like Outback
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When Pine Marten was “replaced” in 2006, they replaced the terminals and grips, but kept the chairs and towers. I think that Pine Marten is simply at the end of its career. Having long hours as a winter AND summer lift, it simply cannot keep up with large crowds, and the hideous conditions at mid-mountain. As I’ve mentioned before, it should be at least replaced with a UNI-G (or D-Line) Six-Pack, and maybe gondola cabins for summer tourism.
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I feel like pine marten is long overdue to be replaced, considering it was not completely replaced in 2006, and operates as a summer and winter lift. Not to mention the horrendous conditions at the top of pine marten lodge. I think a D-Line 6 Pack would do the trick, though knowing mt. Bachelor, it would probably be a UNI-G, it would also be cool with gondola cabins for summer tourism.
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The entire West Village base area probably needs to be reimagined to connect the huge parking lot to the Pine Martin Lodge for year around use as that building is completely underutilized. If money was no object I’d tear down the West Village Lodge and replace it with a functional building at parking lot level. Then replace Pine Martin with a Gondola with weather protected terminals directly connected to both lodges . This may or not be in the same alignment as the existing lift as it may need to head up Grotto rather than Thunderbird. And since we are spending other people’s money, make it a 2 stage system and continue up West Ridge to the top. Build a shorter lift (return of Yellow Chair?) from the parking lot to service the half pipe and terrain park. Extend the base of Little Pine to the parking lot. Red chair was supposed to be replaced in the last approved plan and shortened for some reason. It would make more sense to replace it with a 6 pack and keep the same top or even extend higher.
Now just need 9 figures of $$$’s to make it happen….
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