I think you forgot something. In your pics of First Time and Eagle, what you didn’t post is 3 Kings Double. Also, are there pics of Prospector Express, one of 2 yan high-speeds in Utah?
It was relocated and became the new Motherlode Express. Tower foundations and tubes from the old CTEC lift were reused on the new Doppelmayr six pack, while the crossarms were used on the Motherlode.
Nope. Garaventa CTEC detachables use Garaventa detachable technology. They are similar in that they resemble eachother and operate almost the same, but they aren’t the same grips.
No, it is a Garaventa design, specifically the AK400. CTEC used four different Garaventa grip designs from 1990-2004. The first/second is the AK4.0/AK4.1, which was seen commonly on High-speed quad lifts they built. For their 6 pack lifts, they must’ve felt they needed a heavier duty grip, so this one was used. When the Stealth III terminal design came out, the Garaventa AK460 grips replaced all of the earlier grips, and were used until CTEC’s detachable designs were phased out by Doppelmayr in 2004.
OOPS, I mis-typed slightly. The Stealth II PCMR six packs have the Garaventa AK 680 grip (NOT the 400). The AK400 and 460 came later (with Stealth III/2000).
Doppelmayr has become as large as they are today mainly because they have taken over several companies in the past.
Agamatic was an Italian lift manufacturer, which designed and manufactured their own lifts before being bought out by Doppelmayr. The Agamatic grip was one such product. The Agamatic grips are offered primarily because they are a single position grip, which is in contrast to the DT series grips, which are dual position. The DT grips are an original Doppelmayr design.
Garaventa was a Swiss lift manufacturer, who is best known in North America for supplying parts on CTEC’s detachable lifts. In 1993 Garaventa purchased CTEC, creating Garaventa CTEC. CTEC’s lift designs were quite different from anything Garaventa, with the main thing being that CTEC used Garaventa’s detachable grips, including the AK-400 and 460, which visually look like Agamatic grips, and are both single position grips.
Doppelmayr acquired both of these firms. Agamatic first, Garaventa second. With Doppelmayr acquiring Garaventa, this meant that Garaventa CTEC and Doppelmayr USA needed to merge, forming Doppelmayr CTEC in 2002. With this, most of CTEC’s detachable products were phased out, although the fixed grip designs lasted longer, and Doppelmayr USA fixed grip installations are still different from the worldwide Doppelmayr fixed-grip product. Because of this, Garaventa grip designs haven’t been seen on a new North American installation since Collins at Alta was completed in 2004. Everything since then (except for the new D-Line which has it’s own grips and terminals) has been Uni-G/GS with either DT grips, or the Agamatic grips.
I think this has created some confusion because new lifts were built by essentially the same company with very similiar grips, leading to some thinking the Agamatic grip is a rebranded AK-460. It is not. Garaventa grips, including the AK-400/460, can still be found on MCS-series detachable lifts. No such installation has occurred in North America, however.
Opt. 1: I think you intend for a gondola to replace Crescent and be extended to the top of Bonanza, to relieve traffic on Silverlode. I’d keep Crescent as is, so that there is a chairlift for lapping the trails west of Treasure Hollow and south of CB’s Run.
Opt. 2: An up-and-over gondola directly from Miner’s Camp to the main village would allow someone more direct access to the Quicksilver Gondola for Canyons access without having to take chairlifts and ski down to Miner’s Camp. But it would also put more demand on Silverlode, and I can’t fathom the tall towers (and wind exposure) that would happen while crossing over King Con.
Opt. 3: I guess Opt. 3 would be something like a high speed quad to provide lapping service to most of Crescent’s pod in conjunction with Opt. 1?
Opt. 4: A fixed grip out of Miner’s Camp to take some traffic off of SIlverlode is practical, but I’d probably align it to end at the top of Crescent to reach more trails, rather than end it at the top of King Con.
Option 1: I think it is a good idea presuming it is has a mid/angle station for offloading where Crescent’s top terminal currently resides to allow easier access to the Crescent pod. They could also then expand Summit House to use it during the summer, as it has pretty good views.
Option 2: I think this lift is pretty unnecessary because it is pretty easy to get in and out of Miner’s Camp and it would require tall towers to cross a number of lifts. This looks like a replacement for Eagle, which isn’t really necessary by itself but…
Option 3: I think this lift could make a lot of sense as a replacement for Eagle & Eaglet & 3 Kings if Park City wanted to create a mega-terrain park serviced by a high-speed lift.
Option 4: I think a fixed-grip lift to help alleviate the Silverlode traffic and get people back to the main base, similar to the new Over and Out across the mountain, would be useful.
It is absolutely practical. However, it would only serve terrain already accessible from Crescent and force skiers to go to either King Con or Miner’s Camp if they wish to use it as an out of base lift. These two areas are already very crowded. A Crescent upgrade would make more sense as it would provide the same out of base capacity increase but better distribute skiers across the mountain.
Does anyone know how to access flat iron lift from a road?
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It’s in The Colony which is private with a 24-hour gatehouse. Best bet is walking the mid-mountain trail to get there.
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Was the Tombstone HSQ reused somewhere else?
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https://liftblog.com/sunshine-express-steamboat-co/
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I think you forgot something. In your pics of First Time and Eagle, what you didn’t post is 3 Kings Double. Also, are there pics of Prospector Express, one of 2 yan high-speeds in Utah?
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Unless someone else took the photos you might be right.
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I think there is a photo of prospecter but I’m not sure I will try to post the photo on here
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I think that’s the Summit Express at Pico, VT
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I found a video with it in the background here is the link. https://youtube.com/watch?v=FkqsCJDta20
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Prospector is at 4:36 in that video.
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lmao That’s summit at Pico in Vermont. That is however a cool pre-retrofit picture of it.
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what ended up happening to the HSQ King Kong Express that was replaced with a HSS in 2015?
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It was relocated and became the new Motherlode Express. Tower foundations and tubes from the old CTEC lift were reused on the new Doppelmayr six pack, while the crossarms were used on the Motherlode.
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Do you mean “High meadow express”? Nice to see the new lifts on the spreadsheets!
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Stearns -roger lift was the old thaynes lift
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Any news on when they might add those upper mountain lifts above Flat Iron and Dreamcatcher?
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Are there any pictures of the crescent quad?
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So there is a rumor that the old gondola mid station still has the phb hall gondola stuff like drives and cabins
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What was Green horn replaced with?
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Do all the Garaventa CTEC high speed six packs have Leitner grips?
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Nope. Garaventa CTEC detachables use Garaventa detachable technology. They are similar in that they resemble eachother and operate almost the same, but they aren’t the same grips.
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No, it is a Garaventa design, specifically the AK400. CTEC used four different Garaventa grip designs from 1990-2004. The first/second is the AK4.0/AK4.1, which was seen commonly on High-speed quad lifts they built. For their 6 pack lifts, they must’ve felt they needed a heavier duty grip, so this one was used. When the Stealth III terminal design came out, the Garaventa AK460 grips replaced all of the earlier grips, and were used until CTEC’s detachable designs were phased out by Doppelmayr in 2004.
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OOPS, I mis-typed slightly. The Stealth II PCMR six packs have the Garaventa AK 680 grip (NOT the 400). The AK400 and 460 came later (with Stealth III/2000).
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What’s the difference with the AK-400 and the Agamatic grips?
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Doppelmayr has become as large as they are today mainly because they have taken over several companies in the past.
Agamatic was an Italian lift manufacturer, which designed and manufactured their own lifts before being bought out by Doppelmayr. The Agamatic grip was one such product. The Agamatic grips are offered primarily because they are a single position grip, which is in contrast to the DT series grips, which are dual position. The DT grips are an original Doppelmayr design.
Garaventa was a Swiss lift manufacturer, who is best known in North America for supplying parts on CTEC’s detachable lifts. In 1993 Garaventa purchased CTEC, creating Garaventa CTEC. CTEC’s lift designs were quite different from anything Garaventa, with the main thing being that CTEC used Garaventa’s detachable grips, including the AK-400 and 460, which visually look like Agamatic grips, and are both single position grips.
Doppelmayr acquired both of these firms. Agamatic first, Garaventa second. With Doppelmayr acquiring Garaventa, this meant that Garaventa CTEC and Doppelmayr USA needed to merge, forming Doppelmayr CTEC in 2002. With this, most of CTEC’s detachable products were phased out, although the fixed grip designs lasted longer, and Doppelmayr USA fixed grip installations are still different from the worldwide Doppelmayr fixed-grip product. Because of this, Garaventa grip designs haven’t been seen on a new North American installation since Collins at Alta was completed in 2004. Everything since then (except for the new D-Line which has it’s own grips and terminals) has been Uni-G/GS with either DT grips, or the Agamatic grips.
I think this has created some confusion because new lifts were built by essentially the same company with very similiar grips, leading to some thinking the Agamatic grip is a rebranded AK-460. It is not. Garaventa grips, including the AK-400/460, can still be found on MCS-series detachable lifts. No such installation has occurred in North America, however.
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The original Crescent was removed in 1998 or 1999.
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According to a timeline document I have, it was removed in 1998.
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my ideas for what they should do with new lifts at pc
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Opt. 1: I think you intend for a gondola to replace Crescent and be extended to the top of Bonanza, to relieve traffic on Silverlode. I’d keep Crescent as is, so that there is a chairlift for lapping the trails west of Treasure Hollow and south of CB’s Run.
Opt. 2: An up-and-over gondola directly from Miner’s Camp to the main village would allow someone more direct access to the Quicksilver Gondola for Canyons access without having to take chairlifts and ski down to Miner’s Camp. But it would also put more demand on Silverlode, and I can’t fathom the tall towers (and wind exposure) that would happen while crossing over King Con.
Opt. 3: I guess Opt. 3 would be something like a high speed quad to provide lapping service to most of Crescent’s pod in conjunction with Opt. 1?
Opt. 4: A fixed grip out of Miner’s Camp to take some traffic off of SIlverlode is practical, but I’d probably align it to end at the top of Crescent to reach more trails, rather than end it at the top of King Con.
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Option 1: I think it is a good idea presuming it is has a mid/angle station for offloading where Crescent’s top terminal currently resides to allow easier access to the Crescent pod. They could also then expand Summit House to use it during the summer, as it has pretty good views.
Option 2: I think this lift is pretty unnecessary because it is pretty easy to get in and out of Miner’s Camp and it would require tall towers to cross a number of lifts. This looks like a replacement for Eagle, which isn’t really necessary by itself but…
Option 3: I think this lift could make a lot of sense as a replacement for Eagle & Eaglet & 3 Kings if Park City wanted to create a mega-terrain park serviced by a high-speed lift.
Option 4: I think a fixed-grip lift to help alleviate the Silverlode traffic and get people back to the main base, similar to the new Over and Out across the mountain, would be useful.
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Would a lift from Park City Village to the top of King Kong work? Assuming that they would have to move Eagles base a little bit North East.
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It is absolutely practical. However, it would only serve terrain already accessible from Crescent and force skiers to go to either King Con or Miner’s Camp if they wish to use it as an out of base lift. These two areas are already very crowded. A Crescent upgrade would make more sense as it would provide the same out of base capacity increase but better distribute skiers across the mountain.
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