Lift line overview.Looking up the line.Bottom tension station.Another view of the tension station.View down the line.Upper lift line.Top drive station.
Not sure what video you are referring to but remember Vail started operating Canyons in 2013, a year and a half before they bought Park City. I looked back through my pictures and there were no safety bars in 2010-11 but were in 2014-15. Before both of those the lift had quad chairs with bars. Go figure!
I’ve noticed that on some CTEC installations they have small mounting brackets on the backrest of the chairs. I don’t know if all of them have this but in this instance it would make it a lot easier for Park City to just put them on.
Here’s the video, you can see the bars and they also have footrests? Wonder where they got the bars from since they discontinued those CTEC Chair styles by then when they Out them on.
Yep, that was post-Vail, pre-merger. Town lift also got bars in 2015. I would guess Doppelmayr fabricated new ones for their best customer. Skytrac is also just down the road with CTEC heritage.
Town lift had bars prior to 2015, but only during the summer months. I remember being specifically told by a PCMR employee circa 2010 that they were pulled off for winter. Additionally, they only had chair cushions on half of the chairs during the summer. (I may be able to find a picture if anyone’s interested) The other half of the chairs were used for mountain bike haul. Now, town lift has bars year round, and no longer does summer mountain bike haul. Last time I skied Park City (it was in 2019) I didn’t take a close look at Town, but I would guess that Vail/PCMR re-used (some of) the bars they had from summer operation.
Another fun fact about Town, is that they have downloading in the winter now too.
I am more interested in who fabricated bars for the Jupiter and Thaynes lifts. Those are YAN chairs, but I’m sure Dopplemayr could’ve come up with a design for them.
The rope on a lift is specifically sized for the load it will serve. Unless it didn’t pass a test, putting on double chairs instead of quads wouldn’t have been done to ‘reduce stress’.
This lift began life as Red Hawk, starting from the Wolf Mountain parking lot and ending around where it ends now. Then it was shortened when American Skiing Company started building the village around 1998, both times as a quad with footrests as I recall, back in the glory days before ASC ran out of money. Then it was moved to its current alignment, a few hundred yards south of the old one, and renamed Sunrise, now hardly operating. I think it was converted to a double after it was relocated, not at the same time.
One thing weird about this lift is that it has restraint bars with footrests, something that only a handful of other lifts at the Canyons side of the resort have.
Skilifts.org has pictures of this lift at Red Hawk. The winter pictures were taken in 2003, and I think the lift was shortened/relocated after that season.
Nevermind, it started off as Saddleback. This lift has to be the most relocated lift. Saddleback > Raptor > Red Hawk > Red Hawk (shortened) > Sunrise (Quad | Double).
Raptor became Dreamscape not Red Hawk. There is actually a liftblog article about chairs that have been moved around and Saddleback/Raptor/Dreamscape is specifically mentioned.
Over and Out will only be for downloading. A new Sunrise is in the Plans with a high speed quad from the new Pendry Hotel (about 50 yards further down to Red Pine. Probably two years
The top terminal (or Over and Out) near by the top of Sunrise already has had some concrete work done. You can also see the cut trees for where the new Over and Out lift line will be. Should be a nice addition to this part of the resort!
Given the incredible amount of real estate being developed at Canyons Village currently, I have to think this lift might get replaced soon. They are currently building a plaza and ski beach right at the base of this lift, so it feels like a lift might be coming next. Should be a really interesting project. The bottom terminal will be a tight squeeze in between all of the development, and the alignment/top terminal will also be interesting due to all the private property lines.
I would like to see a lift built from here to Red Pine Lodge, perhaps a gondola. Also, put in a separate lift from Red Pine Lodge to the top of Tombstone to allow people to transfer over to the rest of the resort while avoiding the Tombstone bottleneck.
The last time I was in Park City, I attended a real estate presentation for one of the new developments over here. They mentioned that they were planning on upgrading the Sunrise lift in the immediate future but gave no further details.
The new Pendry hotel has been hyping the upgraded lift in their sales materials and other developments in the area were told the upgrade would be summer of 2022 but it wasn’t announced in the Vail resorts upgrade list today so who knows….
Here’s also my video (yes I’m actually skiliftguy on Youtube) Not only is this lift currently pointless, but also runs so slow at around 350 fpm so even though it is technically a short lift, the ride time still tops at around 7 minutes.
Why are they replacing this lift, out of all the lifts at Park City, with a gondola? It seems like it would make a lot more sense to use the gondola to upgrade Red Pine, which is really old and rickety. It seems like the only people who would use it would be the guests staying in the condos that surround this lift. Everyone else would either opt for Red Pine or OBX. Are they constructing a new parking lot or garage at the base of this lift?
Between the Pendry, Hyatt, Hilton, Lift Condos, and all of the other real estate within walking distance of this lift, no parking needs to be built here for the gondola to be well used.
Also, the design of this Gondola places it closer to the ground all the way up to Red Pine Lodge so it will be less susceptible to the wind holds that plague the Red Pine Gondola and OBX.
To add to what SkiTheEast said, it’s a large capacity upgrade, it’s not that far, and Vail is only paying for part of the lift. I wandered into Google Earth, it’s right about 1000′ on the walking paths from the top of the Cab. OBX is about 600′ for comparison. Should be a 4-5 minute walk if my math is correct, which is very straightforward for a large ski area. If the were to replace Red Pine, it might provide a small increase in true out of base capacity, but it wouldn’t be anything substantial. This is a 3000+ pph increase in capacity out of the Canyons village, which should make a huge dent in the lines. Lastly, from the Liftblog article when it was originally announced, the condo association is covering $9.4m of the cost. That’s a serious amount of money, even for Vail.
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The Lift has safety bars in a video of the Lift, Did they add them to the chairs?
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Vail Resorts puts bars on all lifts they acquire along with fall protection on all ladders and a host of other risk management type items.
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But the video was before vail resorts acquired and the two areas merged.
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Not sure what video you are referring to but remember Vail started operating Canyons in 2013, a year and a half before they bought Park City. I looked back through my pictures and there were no safety bars in 2010-11 but were in 2014-15. Before both of those the lift had quad chairs with bars. Go figure!
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I’ve noticed that on some CTEC installations they have small mounting brackets on the backrest of the chairs. I don’t know if all of them have this but in this instance it would make it a lot easier for Park City to just put them on.
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Here’s the video, you can see the bars and they also have footrests? Wonder where they got the bars from since they discontinued those CTEC Chair styles by then when they Out them on.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SQfLGwgLqeM
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Yep, that was post-Vail, pre-merger. Town lift also got bars in 2015. I would guess Doppelmayr fabricated new ones for their best customer. Skytrac is also just down the road with CTEC heritage.
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Town lift had bars prior to 2015, but only during the summer months. I remember being specifically told by a PCMR employee circa 2010 that they were pulled off for winter. Additionally, they only had chair cushions on half of the chairs during the summer. (I may be able to find a picture if anyone’s interested) The other half of the chairs were used for mountain bike haul. Now, town lift has bars year round, and no longer does summer mountain bike haul. Last time I skied Park City (it was in 2019) I didn’t take a close look at Town, but I would guess that Vail/PCMR re-used (some of) the bars they had from summer operation.
Another fun fact about Town, is that they have downloading in the winter now too.
I am more interested in who fabricated bars for the Jupiter and Thaynes lifts. Those are YAN chairs, but I’m sure Dopplemayr could’ve come up with a design for them.
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Why did they downgrade it from a quad
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Because not too many people ride the lift. And reduce stress on the rope.
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The rope on a lift is specifically sized for the load it will serve. Unless it didn’t pass a test, putting on double chairs instead of quads wouldn’t have been done to ‘reduce stress’.
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This lift began life as Red Hawk, starting from the Wolf Mountain parking lot and ending around where it ends now. Then it was shortened when American Skiing Company started building the village around 1998, both times as a quad with footrests as I recall, back in the glory days before ASC ran out of money. Then it was moved to its current alignment, a few hundred yards south of the old one, and renamed Sunrise, now hardly operating. I think it was converted to a double after it was relocated, not at the same time.
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I think it will have to be converted back to a quad once over and out is operating.
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One thing weird about this lift is that it has restraint bars with footrests, something that only a handful of other lifts at the Canyons side of the resort have.
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The only other two that do are Dreamscape and Orange Bubble.
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Won’t Over and Out be one-way (Tombstone back to Canyons base)?
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Skilifts.org has pictures of this lift at Red Hawk. The winter pictures were taken in 2003, and I think the lift was shortened/relocated after that season.
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This lift actually started its life as Raptor and has been relocated 3 times.
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Nevermind, it started off as Saddleback. This lift has to be the most relocated lift. Saddleback > Raptor > Red Hawk > Red Hawk (shortened) > Sunrise (Quad | Double).
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Raptor became Dreamscape not Red Hawk. There is actually a liftblog article about chairs that have been moved around and Saddleback/Raptor/Dreamscape is specifically mentioned.
https://liftblog.com/2015/10/31/374-lifts-that-arent-where-they-used-to-be/
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Sunrise has 74 chairs and 8 towers, 495 vertical rise and I guess around 2,100 ft in length
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Over and Out will only be for downloading. A new Sunrise is in the Plans with a high speed quad from the new Pendry Hotel (about 50 yards further down to Red Pine. Probably two years
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The top terminal (or Over and Out) near by the top of Sunrise already has had some concrete work done. You can also see the cut trees for where the new Over and Out lift line will be. Should be a nice addition to this part of the resort!
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Given the incredible amount of real estate being developed at Canyons Village currently, I have to think this lift might get replaced soon. They are currently building a plaza and ski beach right at the base of this lift, so it feels like a lift might be coming next. Should be a really interesting project. The bottom terminal will be a tight squeeze in between all of the development, and the alignment/top terminal will also be interesting due to all the private property lines.
I would like to see a lift built from here to Red Pine Lodge, perhaps a gondola. Also, put in a separate lift from Red Pine Lodge to the top of Tombstone to allow people to transfer over to the rest of the resort while avoiding the Tombstone bottleneck.
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The last time I was in Park City, I attended a real estate presentation for one of the new developments over here. They mentioned that they were planning on upgrading the Sunrise lift in the immediate future but gave no further details.
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The new Pendry hotel has been hyping the upgraded lift in their sales materials and other developments in the area were told the upgrade would be summer of 2022 but it wasn’t announced in the Vail resorts upgrade list today so who knows….
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Why isn’t the Sunrise lift operating this season?
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Could very much be a staffing issue.
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A lot of Park City lifts aren’t running this year due to lack of staff.
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Any word on if Sunrise will operate this year?
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Based on everything we have heard from our HOA, all signs point to yes….
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Here’s also my video (yes I’m actually skiliftguy on Youtube) Not only is this lift currently pointless, but also runs so slow at around 350 fpm so even though it is technically a short lift, the ride time still tops at around 7 minutes.
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Will Sunrise get scrapped?
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Park City is auctioning off the chairs. Not sure about the rest of the lift, but Vail doesn’t seem to relocate lifts much.
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I imagine the other parts will go to the CTEC parts bin for park city, they still have a couple other CTECs that might benefit from parts.
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Why are they replacing this lift, out of all the lifts at Park City, with a gondola? It seems like it would make a lot more sense to use the gondola to upgrade Red Pine, which is really old and rickety. It seems like the only people who would use it would be the guests staying in the condos that surround this lift. Everyone else would either opt for Red Pine or OBX. Are they constructing a new parking lot or garage at the base of this lift?
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Between the Pendry, Hyatt, Hilton, Lift Condos, and all of the other real estate within walking distance of this lift, no parking needs to be built here for the gondola to be well used.
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Also, the design of this Gondola places it closer to the ground all the way up to Red Pine Lodge so it will be less susceptible to the wind holds that plague the Red Pine Gondola and OBX.
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To add to what SkiTheEast said, it’s a large capacity upgrade, it’s not that far, and Vail is only paying for part of the lift. I wandered into Google Earth, it’s right about 1000′ on the walking paths from the top of the Cab. OBX is about 600′ for comparison. Should be a 4-5 minute walk if my math is correct, which is very straightforward for a large ski area. If the were to replace Red Pine, it might provide a small increase in true out of base capacity, but it wouldn’t be anything substantial. This is a 3000+ pph increase in capacity out of the Canyons village, which should make a huge dent in the lines. Lastly, from the Liftblog article when it was originally announced, the condo association is covering $9.4m of the cost. That’s a serious amount of money, even for Vail.
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