Snowbird, UT

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  1. Carson June 21, 2017 / 9:31 am

    Does anyone have pictures of Chickadee before the concrete floor went above it and Gad1?


  2. Cooper February 28, 2018 / 11:55 am

    Where did Gad 1 run? Because the high speed quad Gadzoom was built before Gad 1 was removed.


    • tjskiloaf17 March 18, 2018 / 2:22 pm

      pretty sure the spread is wrong and Gad 1 was removed in 97 with the new quad… cant find it on maps from 97-01


  3. Peter Landsman September 28, 2018 / 5:02 pm

    I now think the first Gad 1 was installed in 1971 along with the tram, Gad 2 and Wilbere. In 1980, Gad 1 was replaced with a longer Gad 1 and Mid Gad was added on the other side of the restaurant. One or more of the 1980 lifts probably used parts from the first Gad 1, as it was only 9 years old. The longer Gad 1 was itself replaced in 1997 while Mid Gad has remained in its original alignment since 1980.


    • snowbasinlocal12894 March 27, 2019 / 3:20 pm

      Are you saying that mid gad was relocated from the first gad 1? You would think it would be cheaper to relocate the first gad 1 to mid gad then add gad 1 2.0 as a new chairlift. Also Wilbere chairlift is also called Wilbere ridge.


  4. Somebody April 3, 2019 / 5:14 pm

    I’d like to see a lift starting near the bottom of Peruvian and the Tram and ascending to the top of wildcat at Alta, which would be very useful to quickly get from snowbird to Big cottonwood if the Grizzly Gulch connection ever becomes a thing.

    A short lift up from near the top of Peruvian to the top of Baldy would also be nice to see to eliminate the hike, not sure if that’s very possible with the wind situation up there though. The existing Mid-gad could be reused there.


    • snowbasinlocal12894 April 4, 2019 / 9:07 am

      You mean a interconnect chairlift that goes over the ridge? Kinda like the lift in france that has a huge breakover with 5 towers. I thought of the same idea on badly peak but with a T-bar since they are more wind resistant.


      • Somebody April 4, 2019 / 12:48 pm

        The lifts would be like (the red lines) this-

        The Keyhole lift would be a 4,000 feet long Double or Triple chairlift (Possibly reuse the existing mid-gad chair here?), with approximately a 1,600 foot vertical drop. It would pretty much have to allow for downloading. Bottom terminal would be crammed in the base area. The lift probably wouldn’t allow boarders (seeing as it would end in alta), and both alta and snowbird ticket scanners could be at the bottom. It could make the current Baldy (the second HSQ in Mineral Basin) obsolete, and become the new main alta-snowbird connector lift.

        Baldy (option 1) would be a short T-bar or double chairlift (existing Wilbere chair?) from near the top of Peruvian to the top of Baldy. It would be about 1,300 feet long with approximately a 800 foot vertical drop. This makes more sense than putting the lift where the hike currently is, because this line allows for access from both the tram and from Peruvian. The T-bar might not be possible on this steep of a slope, and if that is the case, the double makes the most sense. This would allow you to reach Baldy in 2 lift rides from the Snowbird base area, or 3 from the Alta base area

        Baldy (option 2) would be a 3,700 foot long High Speed Quad, which would climb 2,000 vertical feet. This lift probably isn’t possible with the wind situation on Baldy, but if possible, would be a very useful lift for experts. It would start near where the Peruvian double dropped off, and continue from there up to the peak. This would allow expert skiers to reach Baldy in 2 lift rides from the Alta-Wildcat base area. This alignment would be significantly better for laps on both the Snowbird and Alta sides of Baldy. With option 1, you would spend a lot of time lapping the bottom 900 vertical of Snowbird and riding Peruvian/Tram, whereas with this alignment, you could actually lap the lift.

        Finally, here’s what it would look like on google earth (blue lines are existing snowbird lifts, yellow lines are existing alta lifts, red lines are the lifts I’m proposing)-

        As for the Gad Valley side of the mountain, I’d like to make even bigger changes-

        For starters, wilbere would be replaced in a new alignment, ending where it does now, but beginning where mid gad currently begins. It would be a 2,500 foot long High Speed Quad with a 700 foot vertical drop.

        Mid gad would be removed. Gadzoom would be replaced with a High Speed Six (or eight), with 2 midstations. The first would be where the current mid-gad midstation is, and the second would be where mid-gad currently ends. Gadzoom would stay the same as a 6,600 foot lift with a 1,800 foot vertical drop.

        Baby Thunder would be replaced by a HSQ that would run up to where Gadzooks and Bananas intersect. A mid-unload would be located where the lift currently ends. This lift would be 5,100 feet long with a 1700 foot vertical drop.

        Google earth view-


        • skitheeast April 4, 2019 / 3:03 pm

          I like the idea of a Keyhole lift, but I just have no idea where the base would go with the mountain coaster being located right next to Peruvian (where a Keyhole lift station would go). Regarding a Baldy lift, it does have a few potential problems, namely increased traffic on the Baldy Chutes at Alta and the wind. However, if it were to happen, I think the best option would be basically your option 2 but starting a little farther down where Rothman Way/Chip’s Run/Think Young intersect just to allow a few more of those runs off Cirque Traverse to feed in.

          Regarding the Gad Valley changes, I think Gadzoom is fine as it is and doesn’t need to go to a six/eight pack. Perhaps a second detachable quad from the base up to Boundary Bowl, creating a new blue run down in the process. I agree Mid Gad can go, but I don’t know if that means Gadzoom need any mid stations. Also don’t know if Wilbere needs to go high speed due to its length and I don’t think its base should move, as its primary purpose is helping skiers get back and forth from Peruvian to Gad and back, hence its base being located approximately halfway between the two areas. Baby Thunder is the mountain’s primary beginner lift and there is no base area located at the bottom of the lift, so I don’t know if it would be a good idea to draw skiers away from the Gad base over to the Baby Thunder base, especially as those new expert skiers may intimidate the beginners.

          In addition to the two Mary Ellen Gulch lifts Snowbird is planning, I think a lift in Scotty’s Bowl east of the current boundary would be a nice addition.


        • Ryan Murphy April 4, 2019 / 3:52 pm

          I don’t think you understand how gnarly the keyhole area is. Like genuine double diamond, chutes or mandatory air stuff. No way there should be any more people over there. Baldy also is rocky as hell up top, you don’t ski the Snowbird front side from the top. High Baldy is as high as you go. The extended Thunder lift doesn’t make sense either. When you come out of the Tiger Tail area, you just get on the track back to Zoom, you don’t ski all the way to Baby T.

          The only problem spot at Snowbird is Mineral. That needs to be a six, which does let them do something with the old quad.


        • Somebody April 4, 2019 / 4:28 pm

          It could go here, about 30 feet behind Peruvian. While this would be a tight place to put it, keep in mind that Peruvian has 90 degree loading, and once this chair gets off the ground, it is going to the blue circle in the top left, so it could just maybe work. Still would have to clear the mountain coaster, but it’s a lot better than putting it somewhere else-

          With Mid-Gad removed, Gadzoom would likely need more capacity, so a low capacity 6 makes sense. Snowbird is currently planning to upgrade Wilbere in the alignment I suggested (as a lift for their racing team). It also would provide as backup if Gadzoom went down and mid gad didn’t exist anymore.

          If a lift ever goes up to Boundary or thunder bowl, I think it should start closer to Baby Thunder, because most of the runs in that area end too low to get to the Gadzoom base.

          If Wilbere was moved, the first mid-station would be less needed actually, but the restaurant mid-unload would still be useful for quickly getting to gad 2 and obviously providing access to the restaurant.


        • Somebody April 4, 2019 / 4:36 pm

          The whole point of the keyhole lift would be to get skiers up to Alta. It wouldn’t be a lift for laps, it would be a lift so that if one Wasatch (or parts of it) ever happen, you’d have a chance to actually be able to get from Snowbird to Big Cottonwood and still have time left to ski. The lift would have to have high downloading capacity, and most people trying to get from Alta back to Snowbird would either download or take westward ho.


  5. snowbasinlocal12894 April 8, 2019 / 5:18 pm

    I agree with mineral basin high speed six and gadzoom high speed six. Also the baldy T-Bar. Double chair wont work because of wind problems. T-Bars are more wind sustainable. I dont like the new race lift plans. Wilbere is one of my favorite lifts at snowbird. Old gad 2 and wilbere ridge both have non bullwheel loading. Same thing with Thaynes at park city. The Wilbere ridge double chair currently can handle the numbers just fine right now. Mid gad should stay where it is right now. The mid station serves most of the beginner terrain at snowbird besides chickadee.

    The keyhole lift is a good idea but it should be like the lift in france with a huge breakover. Not the top station on the ridge line. The only problem is ridgetop winds and the mountain coaster. I think the snowbird side of keyhole lift station would be on the right side of Peruvian. Crossing over Peruvian and possibly sharing a tower tube. Ending next to wildcat drive terminal.


      • skitheeast April 9, 2019 / 9:16 am

        This wouldn’t be a lift up the mountain anymore, just simply a lift between the two base areas.


  6. Michael DiMartino April 23, 2019 / 7:44 am

    If Scotty’s Bowl is Snowbird private property who or what has stopped them from developing it skiing?


    • skitheeast April 23, 2019 / 11:27 am

      I am not sure, but my three guesses would be Save Our Canyons and ease of access. Save Our Canyons is honestly probably the reason. Alta has been trying to develop Grizzly Gulch for skiing on land that they own and they have been going crazy to stop it, so the same would go for Snowbird. It is also impossible to reach the top of Scotty’s Bowl from the top of Gad 2. You could theoretically put an additional traverse across right above Figure 8 Bowl to reach the bottom of a Scotty’s Bowl lift and then have the top terminate on the ledge between the top of Scotty’s Bowl and Boundary Bowl. However, this would be a purely double diamond lift and area with the current trail system, so Snowbird (like most ski resorts) will probably not invest in a lift unless there is at least one blue or green run from top to bottom.


  7. Muni December 1, 2019 / 7:43 am

    I know you typically omit moving carpets, since they move around a bunch, but the Peruvian Tunnel is arguably a well-deserved exception to this rule.


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