Winter Park, CO

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25 thoughts on “Winter Park, CO

  1. John February 28, 2018 / 3:18 pm

    Just to be nitpicky, the High Lonesome lift wasn’t removed– it was converted to a detach.


    • Donald M. Reif April 1, 2019 / 5:00 pm

      The evidence of the conversion being the style of footrests on the chairs, and the portal tower at the bottom (consistent with a Poma fixed grip quad loading area).


  2. carson April 16, 2018 / 7:03 pm

    so i have seen a boneyard from google earth at winter park what lift could be in the I do know it is riblet ski lift but witch one would you say it is?
    Apollo,Eskimo,Hughes or prospector


    • Jackson Nunnally March 13, 2019 / 3:26 pm

      Can you please tell me approximately where this is compared to some of the lifts? Thanks!


  3. Ryan April 16, 2018 / 7:28 pm

    Likely the old Apollo. They probably use parts off of it to keep Looking Glass going, but even that lift’s days are numbered.


  4. Carson July 9, 2018 / 12:43 pm

    I have a question about old Eskimo the riblet double so about of people have seen it how come the top terminal is different model then the other riblet top terminals

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    • snowbasinlocal12894 July 9, 2018 / 1:11 pm

      It was a tension return terminal. Riblet were one the first chairlift manufactures to introduce hydraulic tensioning. If you look at the destructive testing video with the fire one the top terminal jolts backwards because of the cable snapping at the bottom. The top terminal could be upgraded by someone else like Yan or Poma but I dont know.



  5. Carson January 10, 2019 / 7:21 am

    Was zypher scrapped or sold


    • Thunder_Wolfe February 13, 2019 / 3:03 pm

      scrapped. The chairs are now at the bus stops around town.

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  6. Ramcharger_8 March 4, 2019 / 9:11 pm

    high lonesome express has 141 chairs not 147


  7. Ramcharger_8 March 5, 2019 / 10:02 am

    I’m pretty sure the gondola has 77 cabins.


  8. John Janecek March 8, 2019 / 6:28 pm

    When Siberia Express (at Squaw Valley) was installed (also in 1985), the majority of the workings were made in France… The pics of Summit Express and my memories of running Siberia Express gives me the impression that the only difference is that the drive/tension systems are flip-flopped so I’m guessing they’re “sister lifts” from Poma’s Grenoble operations… A noisy, chain driven conveyor system made the first generation Pomas interesting, as well as a pain when dealing with chair spacing… One year later, the Grand Junction-built Poma detachables were much quieter…


    • Donald M. Reif March 24, 2019 / 10:19 am

      I dunno, even the chain systems of the Grand Junction built lifts could make a lot of noise. If you look at this video I made of Copper Mountain’s original American Eagle a few years ago, the chain system is/was very noisy:


    • John Janecek March 24, 2019 / 10:48 am

      Re: Noisy Siberia Express / Poma Detach. 1985 — Siberia when running 5 m/sec tended to shake the metal external panels of the lower terminal… The construction crew may not have properly attached (isolated from vibration) those panels. The Shirley Lake Poma Detach, at Squaw, was a Grand Junction creation and it sounded almost exactly like the American Eagle (shown in the below video). Both lifts had a minimal amount of plexi-glass windows as compared to the American Eagle. Rattling metal kinda drives a lift operator bonkers.


  9. Jackson Nunnally April 7, 2019 / 7:15 pm

    Hey, Peter, Do you have the master plan for Winter Park? I would love to see it if you have it.


      • To summarize, this master plan envisions the Zephyr Gondola as a two-stage to Lunch Rock. It also envisions Sunnyside as merely a high speed quad, not a six pack. There’s also an envisioned pod of advanced intermediate trails in Vasquez Cirque served by a fixed grip quad, with egress via Eagle Wind or the Pioneer Express (with there also being a new trail connecting the top of the Pioneer Express to the bottom of Eagle Wind). A mid-load is shown being added to the Pioneer Express around the point where the lift actually begins climbing (given the lift’s age, it’s more likely to only be added if a complete replacement of the lift is made).

        In the Winter Park area, the master plan also has the Gemini Express being replaced with a gondola, and Endeavor being upgraded to a high speed quad.


        • Kaden K May 27, 2019 / 4:38 pm

          Why does the now built gondola say Combi?


      • Collin Parsons October 1, 2019 / 2:36 pm

        If they build the Lunch Rock Gondola, I think it would actually be a completely separate lift from The Gondola, kind of like Outpost at Keystone. The capacity requirement is nowhere near 3600 because there are no trails that can be lapped from it. I also don’t think it’s necessary. It would be completely redundant with the High Lonesome Express.

        That beginner area plan is interesting. Looks similar to what’s planned at Steamboat. Gondola would replace the Gemini Express on a different alignment. It says D4C replacement for Endeavor, so I think that would be a relocated Gemini Express, and an additional fixed grip would be added. I wonder if Alterra is still interested in this plan, and if they’d do it before or after replacing Pioneer.


  10. Outrigger only operated until 2003. It then sat standing but not operating until the end of the 2005-2006 season, when it was moved to build Eagle Wind. I know this because I skied Winter Park regularly in the 2004-2005 season and Outrigger at that time was simply standing, devoid of chairs except for three at the top that were being used for lift evac training purposes. By the 2005-2006 season, they’d removed all towers from the bottom up to Cranmer Cutoff.


    • New England Chairlifts & Skiing July 23, 2019 / 10:21 am

      How often did Outrigger run once the Eskimo Express was built? Can’t imagine much. It probably ran more before the express.


      • Donald Reif October 1, 2019 / 6:20 pm

        Certainly it ran more before the Eskimo Express was built. Before 1999, there were always three lifts on that face. Apollo (Riblet double), Eskimo (Riblet double), and the Outrigger T-Bar were the original three. The Outrigger T-Bar was replaced with the triple chairlift in 1978. The Eskimo double was destroyed in 1990 as part of the endurance and lift failure tests. They replaced it with the Zephyr triple–which had been displaced by the Zephyr Express lift (the Zephyr Express reused the drive terminal mast from the Yan triple on its top terminal)–which I believe was outfitted with Poma Competition chairs as part of the relocation.

        There were still three lifts on that face: Apollo, Eskimo and Outrigger. Outrigger probably saw the least use of the three since it didn’t service Sunspot, instead bypassing the restaurant and ending at a point on March Hare above the High Lonesome Express access trail. And because of that, I believe that after 1999, when the Eskimo Express was built to replace the Eskimo triple and Apollo double in one fell swoop, Outrigger only ever saw use during peak periods or whenever the Eskimo Express went down (which was probably rare on account of being a new lift).


  11. Thunder_Wolfe October 1, 2019 / 2:15 pm

    I saw the new sunnyside chairs and they have child protectors and it didn’t look like they had footrests on the bars


    • Donald Reif October 1, 2019 / 6:21 pm

      Odd that they’d skip on footrests when the other two six packs have them.


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