News Roundup: More Towers

  • MND Group subsidiary LST will build its third US ropeway this summer, a T-Bar replacing this Hall one in McCall, Idaho.
  • Copper confirms the new American Flyer will get more towers to “support and optimize” the lift.
  • This incredible timelapse of the longest lift in the world gets a lot of attention on Reddit.
  • US skiers and snowboarders came out 59.1 million times this season, a nearly 11 percent increase over 2017-18 and the fourth best participation ever.
  • The National Ski Areas Association launches a charitable foundation to grant money to resort employees to attend conferences such as LMS and RMLA.
  • West Virginia’s closed Timberline Four Seasons Resort files for bankruptcy.
  • A Vermont sheriff can no longer find Hermitage Club founder Jim Barnes to serve him with legal papers related to the ski resort’s closure.
  • In Serbia, Poma will realize the longest gondola in the world at 5.6 miles in two sections.
  • The year round, high speed quad-served bike park experiment in New Zealand gets a $3.3 million government bailout to keep operating.
  • If you want a retired Steamboat Gondola cabin, Sunshine Polishing is acquiring 105 of them.
  • Bogus Basin’s old Riblet chairs are selling for an average price of $1,775 apiece.
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17 thoughts on “News Roundup: More Towers

  1. Teddy's Lift World May 3, 2019 / 9:22 am

    Hermitage really needs to sell their lifts off or something. They can’t leave such new and expensive lifts to rust away. About the police not being able to find the founder, that’s just sketchy. When I got the chance to ski there last year the place clearly had financial issues. They couldn’t pay workers on President’s Weekend 2018 and the Witches triple didn’t run despite the abundance of snow. They bit off way more than they could chew.

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  2. Chris May 3, 2019 / 9:48 am

    How could a new lift at Copper require more towers – plural?

    Seems like they missed something in the planning process.

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    • John May 3, 2019 / 10:16 am

      By ‘they’ I assume you mean LPOA.
      As for why, the old lift (a quad with 450-lb carriers) had 35 towers. The new one has 1400-lb bubbled 6-pack carriers, a heavier haul rope, and 27 towers. Probably something there.

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    • There are some areas of the American Flyer, such as between towers 8 and 9, and between 20 and 21, where there are issues with line sag caused by the heavier weight of the bubble chairs. That’s what the discussion on the lift’s page is going for.

      What’s going to be interesting is how they number the new towers. Will they renumber all the towers or will these new towers just have an “A” suffix on them? It’ll probably be easier to do the “A” suffix, like was done on the Independence SuperChair and the original Avanti Express when they had infill towers added, but this is a brand new lift and it might not hurt to renumber all the towers.

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      • John May 3, 2019 / 12:25 pm

        16-17 and 22-23, to be nitpicky. I was being facetious in my earlier comment- we have been aware of the problem for a while. Tough to rebuild the lift in the middle of operation though. I don’t know what went into the design process or anything like that, just that we’re getting one or two new towers.

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        • With both of the new lifts, it’s clear Copper omitted quite a lot of towers. American Eagle has some big gaps at both of its combis as well.

          Makes me notice more and more that the new six packs that Vail Resorts has put in generally have the same number of towers as their predecessor quads (the Avanti Express actually having one more tower than the lift it replaced; the Colorado SuperChair and Mountaintop Express only having one tower less than the original quads, etc.)

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    • Ryan Gardner May 3, 2019 / 1:31 pm

      A number of years ago Snowbasin was considering adding an additional tower on the Needles gondola as it turned out that the haul rope had stretched/worn in more than they thought it would and there was considerable sag in an area, despite good tensioning. Sometimes things come up that even the best of designers can’t anticipate.

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    • Mark Bergman May 3, 2019 / 7:46 pm

      Riding this lift was awful. Until we have up on riding it, we were taking bets on how many stops. Excessive sag was so bad, they topped some small trees for clearance and roped off other areas to prevent skiers from being hit in the head by passenger’s skis. The repeated stops were attributed to a faulty system that is supposed to open the bubbles as they enter the return side of the lower terminal. When a bubble didn’t open, the lift was stopped and experienced an unhealthy amount of rollback. Not LP’s best project.

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      • John May 4, 2019 / 2:38 pm

        No faulty system was involved. We started noticing that the people on the far left (inside) would sit down early, in what would be the 3rd/4th seats, thereby knocking down the folks who were supposed to sit there. Learning curve for sure. More vocal encouragement helped that problem out quite a bit. If a bubble didn’t open, that was due to a broken bolt on the individual carrier’s bubble opener. The lift is *supposed* to stop if a bubble doesn’t open so it doesn’t mow the public over. I replaced a handful of broken bolts but there wasn’t a pattern, or any widespread issue. As for the tree-topping, we would have had to do that on the old lift as well. I trimmed quite a few in that area in the years before we tore it out.

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        • Seems like an understandable learning mistake, even though Copper’s already got a few 90 degree loading high speed quads (Union Creek and Excelerator) for practice.

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      • John May 4, 2019 / 2:39 pm

        Also, the lift does not roll back. Four miles of rope and carriers take a bit to equalise from 1000 FPM to zero. The old lift did the same thing.

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  3. themav May 5, 2019 / 11:19 am

    It’s cool to see LST Ropeways gain more traction into the North American market.

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      • themav May 6, 2019 / 10:28 am

        When it comes over, it’ll be fascinating to see who their first chairlift customer is! Considering the similarities with Doppelmayr equipment, we may be surprised.

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