News Roundup: Master Plans


14 thoughts on “News Roundup: Master Plans

  1. Jamie May 17, 2019 / 10:42 am

    The Poma reference book has a lift – Tlemcen, Algeria – which appears to be a standard LPA gondola, but with Doppelmayr (Gassner Stahlbau) standard towers, tower heads, and sheaves!

    And I could be wrong but the towers are almost certainly not old enough for it to be a replacement lift reusing the old towers.

    Does anybody know more about this?

    Pages 19–20 if anyone is interested.


      • Jamie May 17, 2019 / 4:02 pm

        Very interesting, thank you. So I was wrong about it not being a replacement lift, although it is unusual for a gondola like this to be replaced after only 10 years, although having been shut for 3 years maybe they had no choice. It’s interesting that they chose Poma rather than the original manufacturer (is ETAC related to Poma?). I wonder how much of the lift is actually new, beyond the cabins, grips, and (presumably) terminal contours, and how Poma would have fitted it all onto the existing Doppelmayr structures.

        And I was about to comment asking about those CWA cabins on pages 36–37! Thank you.


      • Chris May 18, 2019 / 2:57 pm

        In Tignes they upgrade a Doppelmayr 8 MGD to a 10 MGD and use the old 8 plc CWA Cabines for the new Poma Gondola.

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  2. Perwr May 17, 2019 / 10:25 pm

    Can anyone explain the difference (in Europe) between Poma and Leitner?


    • Dhowe May 18, 2019 / 9:17 am

      I believe Leitner owns Poma but they operate as separate companies. It seems that Poma restricts its sales to France while Leitner covers everything else to avoid cannibalizing the market. I’ve wondered why they don’t fully merge operations but I’m guessing that French resort operators insist on the Poma nameplate


      • Peter Landsman May 18, 2019 / 2:51 pm

        There is one Swiss project in the Poma book on pages 34-35. It’s within 15 miles of the French border. Leitner built four lifts in France last year, all within a stone’s throw of Italy. No question the vast majority of French lifts are Poma though. In addition to France, Poma also seems more common than Leitner in South America and Asia.


        • Dhowe May 19, 2019 / 10:44 am

          Many of the big French lift companies such as Les Arcs are owned by an ultimately State-owned company called Compagnie des Alpes. I’m guessing with public ownership comes a stipulation that new lifts contain French built components. The Chamonix ski areas are ultimately Publicly owned but not through CDA and I see that they buy Leitner. Just one the charming contradictions of France, I guess.


  3. Battbann May 18, 2019 / 2:37 pm

    Are you going to do any midwestern resorts


  4. Andrew F. May 20, 2019 / 8:29 pm

    Thanks for sharing re: North Wall at Cascade. I’m interested to see what they put in there, I’d imagine a fixed grip quad, probably the same model as B-Dub for parts compatibility. Is B-Dub an L-P?


    • Peter Landsman May 21, 2019 / 9:08 am

      Cascade got back to me. They are removing North Wall but not replacing it for now. They plan to upgrade a different lift in the future that services more of the mountain.


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