News Roundup: Ramping Up


29 thoughts on “News Roundup: Ramping Up

  1. Owen Mitchem February 26, 2021 / 8:16 pm

    Timberline was actually able to open Thursday but had to close again today due to more extreme weather.


  2. Travel Griz February 26, 2021 / 8:33 pm

    Any documents or info on the Winter Park lift upgrades? Nothing is posted on the link.

    I’d imagine Pioneer has to be on there list to replace soon.

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    • Peter Landsman February 26, 2021 / 8:46 pm

      The scoping notice isn’t finished yet. The Forest Service told me they were shooting for this week but it looks like we will have to wait until next week to know which lifts.

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      • Myles Svec February 26, 2021 / 9:24 pm

        I’m guessing Pioneer, Gemini, Olympia and High Lonesome will be on there. Maybe Iron Horse too.


        • Jackson Nunnally February 26, 2021 / 9:42 pm

          Possibly challenger as well! Can’t wait to see!


        • Trail Master March 1, 2021 / 2:29 pm

          They are also thinking of adding two new lifts, one is the lunch rock gondola (The Gondola was designed to be extended,) and the other is unknown.


        • Utah Powder Skier March 1, 2021 / 3:31 pm

          I had no idea mapsynergy made masterplans. Is this one of their maps that they have in stock, or is this their actual masterplan.


        • Trail Master March 2, 2021 / 8:39 am

          Utah Powder Skier, yes, this is an actual Master Plan for lifts. Altera uses these maps now as you can see on for Steamboat.


        • skitheeast March 2, 2021 / 9:21 am

          That is not a master plan. That is a map made by Although they do make excellent maps and usually try to add proposed lifts from a resort’s master plan, it is not necessarily accurate. Ecosign and SE Group make master plans, as they are contracted by resorts to do so. The link Randy has above shows Winter Park’s master plan from April 2016.

          Resorts can and do deviate from these plans, especially with ownership changes. When that master plan was completed, Intrawest was still the owner of Winter Park. In 2019, Winter Park deviated from the Master Plan, as Alterra decided that Sunnyside should be a six-pack and not a quad.

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        • Trail Master March 2, 2021 / 9:46 am

          I disagree with you, also, where did you get that?


        • Donald Reif March 5, 2021 / 7:17 am

          The Pioneer Express, Challenger and the Olympia Express would be my top priority lifts for replacement: high speed six packs for the Olympia Express and Pioneer Express, and a high speed quad for Challenger.

          I don’t see any extension of the gondola to Lunch Rock happening in the near-future.


  3. skier72 February 26, 2021 / 10:49 pm

    The Murry Ridge T-Bar is insanely long. I’m glad they’re refurbishing it though, always wanted to go there.

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  4. skibumbarnes February 27, 2021 / 9:46 am

    I find Squaw’s approach on reopening the Silverado area very interesting, never seen something like that. Anyone know if they have done something like that before or if any other resorts have done something like this?


  5. Anthony February 27, 2021 / 12:08 pm

    Should be interesting to see what Alterra announces in the next couple weeks in terms of new lifts. They usually announce in early March.


    • Myles Svec February 27, 2021 / 12:47 pm

      Probably same lifts as last years plan and some more improvements such as moving Steamboats gondola Terminal uphill and redoing base area there. I wonder if they will do double the projects this year with last years projects and new projects for this year. That will probably be unlikely because I’m not sure if the companies that build the lifts will have enough manufacturing capacity for them.


      • skitheeast February 27, 2021 / 6:53 pm

        Alterra built 4 lifts in 2018, 3 in 2019, and planned for 2 in 2020, so it is feasible for them to build up to four in one year based on their short history. The most likely addition to the two Mammoth lifts is the California Gondola at Squaw/Alpine. It is going to be formally announced alongside the resort rebrand in the upcoming weeks/months. The only question is whether the project will be completed in one or two years to potentially push some capital costs to next summer, but someone else said they heard from a reliable source that it was going to be done this year. Perhaps Alterra pushes off both Mammoth lifts another year to get California Express completed and save money. The second most likely lift for Alterra this summer is Timber at Tremblant simply because it was originally supposed to be built this year. However, I do not believe they did as much prep work last summer as they would have liked, and Tremblant’s financial performance this winter has been dreadful. The only thing that could potentially keep Timber in the picture is that there is new base development at Versant Soleil, where Timber is supposed to be, opening in 2022 that could be tied to additional trails, snowmaking, lifts, etc.


        • Cascade Concrete February 28, 2021 / 12:42 pm

          I hope Alterra gets to Crystal at some point. We have a fairly modern lift network but Rex, one of our biggest workhorses, is getting fairly unreliable in its old age.


        • skitheeast February 28, 2021 / 1:49 pm

          I agree that Rex could use an upgrade, and there are perhaps a couple of other infill lifts that could help better distribute skiers around the mountain. However, Crystal’s biggest problem is parking and the base area. Given the topography, there is really no easy or cheap solution to this problem, so Alterra is going to have to think big or outside of the box for this.


        • julestheshiba March 1, 2021 / 3:09 pm

          I am sure hoping for the California Express to happen this year, I am planning on being up in Tahoe a lot this summer, I can try and document anything that goes on.


    • Erik February 27, 2021 / 5:23 pm

      It certainly seems like Crystal has been a cash cow for them this year- tons of Ikon passes in the Seattle area, and it’s busier on weekdays than ever before. Hopefully Alterra gives back a little something- Crystal could definitely use a base revamp… but in the lift department a Rex or Disco replacement would be welcome, as would some sort of parking access lift.

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      • Cascade Concrete February 28, 2021 / 12:43 pm

        I’m still hoping for an eastward expansion at Crystal someday too. Plenty of suitable terrain up there.


    • skitheeast March 2, 2021 / 7:50 am

      I heard the Alterra announcement date is March 9 this year. Keep in mind it could always change, as they did delay it by 24 hours last year.


  6. Ryan February 27, 2021 / 3:51 pm

    The Gondola at Aspen was put in in 1987, is used year round, and is getting a new haul rope only? Did she get a major retrofit recently?


    • Billy B. February 27, 2021 / 5:39 pm

      Yep. In 2006, the cabins and drive were replaced and the chain contours were replaced with tire banks. I believe the grips were all rebuilt as a part of this process too.


      • pbropetech March 1, 2021 / 11:39 am

        I think it was even more recent than that- 2016 is what I recall. The grips are inspected and rebuilt every five years anyway, unless they did a major overhaul on them while they replaced the cabins.


        • vons3 March 1, 2021 / 9:03 pm

          The cabins, conveyors etc. were in 06′, I have one of the old sigma cabins in my front yard, still 32 years old is getting up there for a detachable.


  7. Donald Reif March 5, 2021 / 7:21 am

    The Bergman Express will be an interesting project to look at when Keystone decides to build it. I think there’s three ways it could go:

    1. They reuse the Peru Express lift’s chairs and towers, refitting them with new grips and new UNI-G terminals.

    2. It’s an all-new high speed quad supplied by Leitner-Poma.

    3. Keystone deviates from the master plan and builds it as a high speed six pack because six pack chairs, being heavier, are a bit more wind resistant (this was partially the reason Breck built the Kensho SuperChair as a six pack).


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