News Roundup: Moving Steel

14 thoughts on “News Roundup: Moving Steel

  1. Mark July 15, 2022 / 3:48 pm

    The Park City council can take credit for reduced parking when the new lifts take up parking capacity. Maybe around Christmas they will begin to reconsider the wisdom of stopping lift construction!

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    • Peter Landsman July 16, 2022 / 9:50 am

      Vail has not gotten back to me with an official answer but I heard the equipment is being moved to a storage location away from the parking lot.

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  2. Ryan July 15, 2022 / 10:28 pm

    I truly hope I am wrong, but I have a bad feeling that this old Gondola relocation to Eaglecrest is going to come back to haunt them after they have it up or while they are putting it up. I REALLY hope I am wrong.

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  3. ExInstaller July 16, 2022 / 7:34 am

    Hmmm. It seems to me that it would have been much more simple to store the containers off site until project approval happens. These containers are very difficult to unload, they must be using the special equipment designed for withdrawing these parts out of the containers. Some of these pallets weigh an exorbitant amount, 20,000lbs +. 2 20’ Pallets per container Now they have to pick them up and transport them individually to a staging area? Is this a big middle finger from Vail to the pcmr locals? Very interesting. Is it Vail or Doppelmayr unloading? Hmmm. 🧐

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    • Aussierob06 July 16, 2022 / 9:41 am

      Given the container shortage in the world, I doubt they would be allowed to keep them. I would guess the shipping contract stipulates they be unloaded and returned. The pallets can be trucked elsewhere, but that will add a huge expense. And what to do with all the tower footing forms? I they are too wide to go on a truck on a highway. Doppelmayr will be unloading if the work in Whistler is anything to go by.

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      • vons3 July 16, 2022 / 12:36 pm

        If I remember right you have always had a limited amount of time to return shipping containers before getting charged very high rental fee. The tower forms are another thing as they are symons forms so unless Doppelmayr owns them they need to be stripped and returned to the rental co. The cages can be disassembled or moved to an onsite storage area; just another expense at this point.

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        • Joe Blake July 16, 2022 / 4:27 pm

          I assume it’s different carrier-to-carrier, but even back in the dark ages of 2014, the company I worked for had 24 hours to unload a can. We didn’t have any of these mythical “special tools”, either, just my coworker’s and my backs and legs.

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    • Sno July 20, 2022 / 10:00 am

      Our local Doppelmayr came in containers that get unloaded horizontally by a ‘Simply machine’. If nothing ‘shifted’ on the boat or truck ride, it unloads the truck in about 15 mins….very simple! So my guess is that there is no container to leave.

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  4. Muni July 16, 2022 / 7:23 pm

    Colorado SuperChair at Breck has the same vertical rise as Silverlode (roughly 1300′). Across the Vail Empire, it’s gotta be on a short list of alignments worthy of 8-passenger capacity. That six-pack is relatively new (2014), and could perhaps make a decent Orient Express replacement (~1600 vertical … likely with longer chair spacings). They’d likely need a few more towers on both lifts. The far more likely outcome is Park City approves the lifts in time for installation next summer. But just saying, PC’s NIMBYism could be an opportunity for other resorts …

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    • BC Skier Guy July 18, 2022 / 11:25 pm

      This is a really interesting line of thought that I hadn’t considered… what if Park City keeps on blocking mountain improvements? Or conversely, what if Vail just decides to throw in the towel on capital improvements at Park City for a while? That Salt Lake Tribune article makes me feel like it could be a possibility. I tried to limit it to alignments roughly at or below the vertical and length of the proposed lifts.

      If that is the drastic route that Vail takes, here are some possible destinations for the lifts
      -8 pack – Sky at Heavenly, Outback at Keystone, Wildwood at Vail, Excelerator at Blackcomb
      -6 pack – Chair 10 at Kirkwood, Bachelor Gulch at Beaver Creek, Toll House at Stowe, Breckenridge A or C chair (midstation is an interesting wrinkle here).

      Interesting food for thought, but hope both parties can find some middle ground at Park City and those (badly needed) lifts go in next year.

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      • Aussierob06 July 19, 2022 / 6:52 am

        Ski lifts are quite customized for their locations. As much as it seems that a lift line of similar length and vertical would would be an easy location to move to, it isn’t. All the towers will need to be replaced for a start, then a bunch of the sheave assemblies will need to be changed. This assumes Power rating for the drives are sufficient etc. Assuming PC town council has a brain and approves these for next year, I’m sure that’s where they will go.

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  5. Somebody July 18, 2022 / 11:25 am

    Will Thunder HSQ follow the old line of the fixed grip quad?

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  6. SCSkier July 20, 2022 / 9:22 am

    Someone more familiar with the issue correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the agreement that POWDR signed, allowing the town to have a say in chairlift development, only lasting for 10 years? Therefore, all vail would have to do is let the clock run out and then start projects up again in a worst case scenario? Also, does it still only apply to PCMR and not Canyons? If so, I could also see them just moving the lifts over there and adjusting as necessary. That 6 pack would be a good replacement for dreamcatcher since that’s where you have to go when you get off the gondola.

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