News Roundup: Race to Open

33 thoughts on “News Roundup: Race to Open

  1. Steven Robert Burke October 15, 2021 / 11:28 am

    How about some pics of the new base to base in squaw?



    • Tommy Boy October 17, 2021 / 9:48 am

      The Palisades Tahoe webcams paint an accurate picture. Rumor has it that last minute design changes led to permit issues. Towers have been placed along the line. The Red Dog bottom terminal did not get moved uphill to accommodate the Squaw bottom terminal. Rumors of a new Red Dog lift for 22/23. The base of Alpine Meadows is currently a mess / active construction project. The wall at the southern border may get completed before this worthless albatross.


  2. ‘58j ‘ October 15, 2021 / 12:45 pm

    Fast Track is turning skiing into an even more elitist sports having a “pay extra so I can cut the line: ticket is just wrong. The only way Powder Corp will get the message is if Joe and Jane Average Skier take them to task and hit them in the pocketbook as it is clear, that is their only concern.

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    • El Chapo October 15, 2021 / 2:11 pm

      I agree. This isn’t like first class air travel where all the passengers take off and land at the same time and where most air travelers feel it’s just a silly indulgence. Fast track holders will be cutting the line in full view of everyone else. I can see the potential for on-hill harassment and hazing. Bad idea.

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      • The Skiing Stig October 15, 2021 / 4:06 pm

        The one thing everyone here is missing on this FAST TRACK issue, is that it is like first class on the airplanes, and if you think standing in line waiting for 30 mins is fine then enjoy it. My self I enjoyed FAST TRACKS when it was at PARK CITY, and loved every minute of it. And anyone in the other lines NEVER EVER SAID ONE WORD IN THE LINES TO THE FAST TRACK PEOPLE. If you can afford it enjoy it, if you can’t figure out how to do it and then enjoy the fruits of your labors!!!! I paid a ski pass for skiing on the mountain, NOT TO STAND IN LINE!!!!!


        • El Chapo October 15, 2021 / 5:45 pm

          I could afford it. I just don’t want to look like a douche when I’m skiing

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        • Ryan October 16, 2021 / 1:54 pm

          stop worrying about your appearance and just get out and ski. If you don’t want to pay for the extra privileges then don’t. You can wait in line with everyone else. These resorts are in business to make money and they will continue to do so as long as the demand is there.


        • Mi_skier October 17, 2021 / 6:50 am

          The issue with this is that it’s making an already tough to afford sport even worse for the average American. Now the lines will get even worse because they’ll be letting fast tracks skiers go before anyone in line. If I already have to pay $150 for six hours of skiing, I should at least get an equal shot as everyone else for it.


    • George T October 18, 2021 / 10:57 am

      I disliked the ‘BeeLine or Premier’ passes when they were introduced at Copper years ago.

      Now it’s a non-issue. Very lightly used. With their past design, they allow by-passing only part of the line.

      Most regular lift lines to reach the terrain desired by experienced skier/riders don’t/didn’t have special access lanes. Who knows if it will change.


  3. Myles Svec October 15, 2021 / 12:53 pm

    Where is the proposed Bogus Basin expansion located? I can’t find any maps for it.


    • Peter Landsman October 15, 2021 / 12:53 pm

      I asked them for more information and will update if I hear back.


    • Jaytrem October 15, 2021 / 2:33 pm

      The video give some description, be sure to watch if you didn’t already. Not sure if they still have it, but at one point they had a 3d mockup of a bunch of possible expansions in the base lodge.


      • Myles Svec October 15, 2021 / 3:08 pm

        It looks like it will be off the back side of Deer Point with 1 green, 5 blues, 2 blacks and a bunch of tree skiing. No word on what type of lift though but I assume it will be a detach quad.


        • Joe Blake October 15, 2021 / 6:00 pm

          By Uncle Brad’s gestures, it’s not off the backside of 1 into upper Dry Creek, but off skiers’ right of 4, into upper Clear Creek, basically between 4 and 6. Good intermediate terrain, which Bogus will definitely benefit from. There’s also some good steep northerly terrain below the Ridge Road, which in typical Boise Front fashion is a little short. Here’s hoping they are further along in the process. The Boise NF seems to be a little slow, given the pace of dirt trail building on NSF land vs private land.


        • Joe Blake October 15, 2021 / 6:18 pm

          *NFS land.


      • Joe Blake October 15, 2021 / 8:26 pm

        Also, yes, they did still have the dream board upstairs in the lower lodge in March of ‘020. It was closed last winter to give employees a way out of the Idaho Covid Party, so that’s my most current infos.


  4. skitheeast October 15, 2021 / 1:46 pm

    Vail’s new CEO stating that the best way to move more people is through more and/or upgraded lifts while Powdr says the best way to move more people is to charge a premium for line skipping. Vastly different approaches.

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    • skitheeast October 15, 2021 / 2:09 pm

      As for Fast Tracks in itself: I do not actually think it is a bad idea or concept if done correctly. Many mountains, including Copper, already have similar programs, and there are relatively few complaints. The reason is that quantities are extremely limited. Lines for the priority lanes are really small and typically nonexistent, which keeps those customers happy, and their overall numbers are so small and negligible that <2 groups total are put ahead of normal customers while they are waiting, which keeps everyone else happy. My only concern is that the prices are low enough and advertising is large enough where the number of passes sold is too high. This could be a result of Powdr's PR department completely botching the announcement, but it could also be a sign of the program itself being a disaster waiting to happen. We shall see.

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      • Mark Lerkins October 15, 2021 / 2:18 pm

        If they limited it to 100 passes a day that may be a good amount.

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      • vons3 October 15, 2021 / 4:11 pm

        Copper has had the Beeline/fastlane type pass since 1998, the passes had proved to be more a tool to sell lodging than a stand alone product as most are sold bundled in vacation packages. Working lifts it was not uncommon to see a line for the Beeline and an empty maze during slower periods, go figure. I also remember it not being an envious job policing the cut line during busy days, so all in all I was never a fan, it just made more work and possible negative guest interactions. Optics are a thing and this looks more like a money grab vs a solution to crowding I’d say their marketing kinda miffed it.

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      • buzz October 16, 2021 / 8:26 am

        We have a similar product offered at Palisades Tahoe but for a vastly different price. They advertise to take a private guide to skip lines on powder days. You pay the same price as a private lesson, get a TNF jacket, and get to skip lift lines. The price keeps the numbers of people doing it down and most people in lift lines are understanding of what’s happening. It blew my mind when I heard about it, but after seeing my first 200yard long KT22 line I understood why.


  5. Morris October 15, 2021 / 3:12 pm

    I’m definitely more a fan of the CWA cabin offerings than the Sigma ones. To me the diamond cabins just look kind of ugly. Anyone else feel the same way?

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    • Peter October 15, 2021 / 5:16 pm


      It is going to be unfortunate when Aspen Mountain installs the lift 1A replacement because it will definitely have Sigma Cabins instead of the CWA cabins the rest of the Aspen/Snowmass gondolas have (since they were installed before Leitner-Poma started using Sigma Cabins).


  6. Peter October 15, 2021 / 5:19 pm

    Slightly confused why A-Basin is waiting till Sunday to open. Looking at the webcam, it looks like High Noon is groomed and ready to go as I am typing this.

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    • pbropetech October 15, 2021 / 8:04 pm

      There could be thin spots, there may have been a delay in getting the licence for BMX, any number of things.


      • Richard Morgan October 15, 2021 / 8:18 pm

        What does a license for BMX mean?


        • Billuh October 15, 2021 / 8:30 pm

          Most races require race licenses, and BMX is no different. Here in the states it’s either USAC or a state cycling org, like OBRA in Oregon.


        • pbropetech October 15, 2021 / 9:20 pm

          I’m not talking about a race. BMX is Black Mountain Express, and it too needs a licence to operate, granted by the state tram board if it passes inspection. Because of filing delays and paperwork snafus, I’ve definitely taped the licence to the window of a lift shack at 0800 on the day the lift is supposed to operate.


      • Joe Blake October 15, 2021 / 8:20 pm

        They could be trolling Keystone by giving Wolf Creek the day, too. I don’t know anyone in charge down there, so I like making up stories. This is my hope.


  7. Mi_skier October 17, 2021 / 6:55 am

    Instead of the fast tracks, couldn’t they just put in higher capacity lift or parallel reliever lifts? these big resort chains clearly have the money just based on how much they charge, and this seems like a much better way to tackle the issue without angering 98% of their customer base


    • Joe Blake October 18, 2021 / 12:38 pm

      Addtional lifts would just mean everybody pays extra instead if just those who wish to. This “feature” Powdr is offering isn’t due to overcrowding, it’s likely to gin up some cash by providing a “premium experience”. In the abstract, this policy offends me, but as people keep pointing out, it is minimally intrusive. Lastly, all four ski resorts have competition, and we are all free to patronise those folks instead.


    • pbropetech October 19, 2021 / 8:07 am

      I can’t speak for the other three areas, but here at Copper we already did install higher-capacity lifts. They work well. As my bro Joe states, it’s a way to provide a ‘premium’ experience while not becoming a premium ski area as a whole, like Deer Valley or such. And (again, speaking only for my place) there has been some version of this here for over twenty years and it hasn’t made the regular skiers’ experience any worse. It’s not a zero-sum game.

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      • Donald Reif October 19, 2021 / 9:41 am

        And they definitely reinforced the premium idea by making the American Flyer a bubble lift and the American Eagle a chondola.


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