News Roundup: Alterra, Boyne, Powdr and Vail


28 thoughts on “News Roundup: Alterra, Boyne, Powdr and Vail

  1. David August 12, 2022 / 9:15 pm

    The snowbird link regarding Wilbere is no longer working.


    • Peter Landsman August 12, 2022 / 9:16 pm

      For some reason the Forest Service’s new Pinyon Public document site only works on desktop computers.


      • Bill Miles August 13, 2022 / 10:42 pm

        Doesn’t work on my desktop computer, Windows 10/Chrome

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        • Wiley Feiger August 14, 2022 / 1:53 am

          FYI, The actual document folder was blank and had zero things in it. Only thing was the folder was titled “Wilbere Lift Replacement, Snowbird Ski Resort (62690)”


  2. skitheeast August 12, 2022 / 10:06 pm

    Replacing Wilbere has been discussed for a number of years, so it is good to see progress being made.

    The Mt. Shasta map is missing a trail from the existing resort to the bottom of Gray Butte. I assume there will be a trail on USFS land from the top of Coyote Butte but it is missing, whereas the return trail is marked (and already cleared as it is an existing dirt road).


    • Carson August 14, 2022 / 10:59 am

      I’d rather see mineral basin or gadzoom get replaced first just due to the crowds they Handel and also shorten the line in mineral basin. In my opinion that is a much bigger issue than Wilber. But hey that might just be me.


  3. Calvin August 13, 2022 / 4:39 pm

    I still don’t understand how the Mt Shasta expansion works. Obviously Get Back is one way in or out. How do you go the other way?


    • jaytrem August 13, 2022 / 6:05 pm

      Via Lemuria.


      • Joe Blake August 13, 2022 / 6:08 pm

        While you’re cruising through Lemuria, don’t forget to learn from the dolphins and let the crystals infuse you with that good magnetism.


  4. Ryan King August 14, 2022 / 1:02 am

    After seeing how much $$$ Boyne has pumped into some of their resorts I’m really excited to see them finally put some money into Brighton. The lift fleet at Brighton is quite old and crest is easily the busiest. Will be great to see a 6 pack d-line lift here.


    • Ryan August 14, 2022 / 6:47 pm

      Well.. Great Western and Crest are up there in age, but Milly and Snake are just fine, and Majestic is not very crowded and Explorer doesn’t even matter…


      • Lenald September 29, 2022 / 6:39 pm

        Have you ever been to Brighton on a Saturday. There is a line at every lift.


  5. Tyler Nicholds August 14, 2022 / 12:57 pm

    Does anyone know why Sunday River built the custom glass enclosures around Jordan 8’s D-Line Terminals? Is it for wind protection during loading/unloading or just for aesthetics?


    • Ryan Murphy August 14, 2022 / 12:59 pm

      I believe its for chair storage. They aren’t building a barn since D line can park at the station.


      • Tyler Nicholds August 14, 2022 / 1:03 pm

        Oh okay makes sense! Thanks


  6. 9412vcummins August 14, 2022 / 1:35 pm

    Why would snowbird want to replace wilbere? There was almost no line at the lift when I go skiing at snowbird. If the lift is worn out, wouldnt it be cheaper to rebuild/replace worn out parts? Snowbirds biggest problem right now is mineral basin, it needs to be upgraded to a higher capacity lift.


    • Wiley Feiger August 14, 2022 / 4:12 pm

      Here’s an analogy. Let’s say you are a construction company that has a “truck” and a “executive vehicle”two cars and the money to replace one of them. Both are needed, but the “executive vehicle” is less important. Your truck is a GMC Sierra 1500 (Mineral Basin) from 1999, whereas your “executive vehicle is a Volkswagon Beetle from 1971 (Wilbere). For now, both vehicles are working fine and aren’t having issues.
      Obviously, it would be nice to have a modern truck that is more capable. It would also be temporarily cheaper to doing maintenance on the Volkswagon Beetle rather than replacing it. However, over the long run, you will save money replacing the vehicle considering maintenance costs go up over time, and the Sierra still has plenty of lifespan left in it.

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      • skitheeast August 14, 2022 / 11:17 pm

        I might be wrong, but I seem to remember them wanting to replace Wilbere for racing purposes as well.


      • 9412vcummins August 16, 2022 / 6:41 pm

        You make a good point, I still think mineral basin needs to be the biggest priority as far as a new lift however than spending money on a chairlift that hardly gets much ski traffic. Id like to see wilbere around longer just because its one of the 2 last remaining chairlifts that are orignal to the resort (not including reused/relocated lifts)


        • Mike B August 17, 2022 / 9:24 am

          IIRC, Snowbird has plans to expand the Gad Valley base and Wilbere was supposed to be related to that with a slight re-route and regrading to make it a more attractive pod for intermediates and below. Did I just make that up?


        • 9412vcummins August 18, 2022 / 3:57 pm

          If snowbird decides to replace wilbere id like to see it go further uphill


        • Mike B August 19, 2022 / 12:14 pm

          Not sure where it would go if further uphill. Only logical place would be close to the top of Big Emma, but then you are basically just duplicating the Mid-Gad lift, so not sure I get it.


        • Ryan Murphy August 20, 2022 / 12:06 pm

          It definitely cannot go further uphill. Fluffy Bunny/Wilbere Bowl runout is already the most aggressive of the catwalks at Snowbird. Anything higher up than the current top terminal gets much steeper and wouldn’t be intermediate friendly. Wilbere is also the last original chair left, Gad 1 came out in 1997 and Gad 2 in 2014. Chickadee is a 1972 build, it wasn’t there opening year, and Mid-Gad was a new lift in 1980, it’s not the old Gad 1.

          MBX is a huge problem, I don’t think anyone who has skied Snowbird will disagree with you, but Wilbere is a 50+ year old lift, and perhaps you could get more people to ski that area with a new lift.


  7. Resolve.Action.Love 🌻 (@Snowman55403) August 14, 2022 / 7:45 pm

    I know aspects of this have been discussed in previous postings, and I do not want to get into name-calling of VR, but wow reading the report of the errors and changes to construction methods in the remediation plan, it really boggles the mind that the project got as far afield from the approved techniques.
    Obviously I’m not on site, but it’s hard to see how Keystone senior managers would have been overseeing this project in any sort of daily capacity without knowing in solid detail what was expected from the Forest Service approvals, and how much the contractor was failing to adhere to it!
    I’m just incredibly disappointed in all of it.

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    • Collin Parsons August 20, 2022 / 4:34 pm

      You’re getting 2 new lifts in back-to-back years, one of which is a D-Line bubble 8, and you are still disappointed?


  8. Mike B August 16, 2022 / 2:10 pm

    Have to say I’m kind of underwhelmed at the explanation for why Jordan 8 happened when it did. If I understand correctly, the re-prioritization of that lift was done at the behest of a Boyne exec who parachuted in, overruled local mgmt and decided that a relatively rare wind-hold event should be the main driver of investment over fixing issues they experience every day in the core of the resort. Not buying this decision-making process nor the underlying logic that drove it.


    • Peter August 16, 2022 / 3:49 pm

      Agree with you. It is also overlooked how on many of the windy days, Aurora, Spruce, and the Chondola/North Peak express will also go on wind holds. Without those four lifts, it is impossible to get to Jordan (unless you drive and park at the hotel but no one does that), so even if the Jordan 8 is open in heavy winds, it will still be impossible to even get there. With a mountain that is so horizontal instead of vertical, fixing one lift does not necessarily reinvent the mountain, especially when that lift is on the far edge of the resort. Don’t get me wrong I am excited for the new lift, but until the Western Reserve is fully realized, this lift has a lot less positive impact than Boyne execs are making it out to be. Replacing Barker first would have way more immediate positive impact.

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