News Roundup: Switzerland to Italy

41 thoughts on “News Roundup: Switzerland to Italy

  1. John June 5, 2020 / 7:30 am

    How is the Leitner 3S selling compared to Doppelmayr 3S? Is there really any major difference between the 2 companies?

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    • Peter Landsman June 5, 2020 / 7:48 am

      Leitner and Poma have more announced 3Ss under construction right now than Doppelmayr. Three in China, one in France (two stages) and one in Switzerland/Italy. Doppelmayr has built many more to date but I know of only two in development currently.

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  2. julestheshiba June 5, 2020 / 11:16 am

    Does anyone know where mission ridges new chair came from because it sounds like it’s used

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    • Mr Incredible June 5, 2020 / 11:33 am

      I think it came from brixen, Austria. Part of the SkiWelt resort

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      • Brian June 5, 2020 / 3:50 pm

        So they’re trading one old quad for another old quad with bubbles? Seems sorta silly. I see 3 old Dopp bubble quads from SkiWelt. One demo’d in 2013 “Aualm”

        The Brixen one was built in ’87 and demo’d last year. “Zinsbergbahn”
        https://www.remontees-mecaniques.net/bdd/reportage-tsd4b-zinsbergbahn-doppelmayr-2889.html

        This one still shows that’s it’s in service “Astbergbahn”:
        https://www.remontees-mecaniques.net/bdd/reportage-tsd4b-astbergbahn-doppelmayr-246.html

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        • HoodRacer June 7, 2020 / 11:58 am

          The chain cadence system is probably still going to be unreliable, but I read that the lift is getting all new electronics as part of the move to Mission Ridge. Hopefully that should help some

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        • pbropetech June 8, 2020 / 1:23 pm

          How is the old cadence chain unreliable? They’re harder to get parts for, sure, but aside from being noisy (on Pomas, at least) they’re not bad. The only problem I have with them as a mechanic is they’re the greasiest, dirtiest thing on a lift by far.

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        • Ryan June 8, 2020 / 11:26 pm

          They were noisy on Doppies as well.

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        • HoodRacer June 9, 2020 / 11:46 pm

          Should have rephrased, difficult to get parts for is probably more accurate than “unreliable”. I’m not in the industry, just a longtime skier, so I’d defer to anyone with specific knowledge about equipment of this vintage.

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  3. Snow Boys June 5, 2020 / 11:42 am

    Why is the loading and unloading for mission ridge’s new detachable going to be in buildings? I get buildings for bubble storage but why loading and unloading in buildings in this situation?

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    • Peter Landsman June 5, 2020 / 12:08 pm

      Guessing it’s because they were inside buildings in Austria so the lift did not come with traditional enclosures.

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      • Mason Schade June 6, 2020 / 5:15 pm

        So what will happen to the old Quad, will MR reuse it or sell it?

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        • Snow Boys June 7, 2020 / 7:43 pm

          Probably scrapped because of the lifts age. I could see it be converted to a fixed grip for future purpose at mission ridge though.

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        • pbropetech June 8, 2020 / 1:21 pm

          It’s being scrapped. The chairs are being sold.

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        • SB8009 June 9, 2020 / 2:45 pm

          From what I hear, they already purchased a fixed grip quad for future use. So I can’t see them reusing it.

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      • Jamie B June 6, 2020 / 9:44 pm

        Surely it would have been cheaper to have new enclosures fitted than to construct buildings – if they were going for such an old lift money must’ve been tight

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  4. Andy June 5, 2020 / 3:40 pm

    The link to the Poma 2019 Reference Book on this page does not seem to work.

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    • Jamie B June 6, 2020 / 11:55 pm

      Interesting, there is a lift in there (Skyview, Patnitop) which appears to feature lattice tower structures identical to those Doppelmayr use

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  5. skitheeast June 6, 2020 / 12:48 am

    I would be shocked if LCC ends up with a 3S gondola (the proposed type) running up to Snowbird/Alta. Personally, I think it is a much better idea than increasing bus service, as the busses just are not popular enough where enough people use them. However, Save Our Canyons must be losing their minds over the potential sightline disruptions.

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    • Somebody June 6, 2020 / 2:36 pm

      Running a 3s up LCC just pushes the problem onto the lifts and slopes. Alta-bird already have lines as is.

      If Utah wants to fix their ski crowding problem, they first need more expert terrain (whether that be expanded current resorts or completely new ones). 4 ski areas in that state currently have a monopoly on gnarly terrain.

      An option I see for LCC is to put a lift down American Fork Canyon. This proposal would be a ~8,500 foot long HSQ with a drop of ~2,500 and would add a lot of new terrain. In conjunction with a slightly extended Mineral (which is already proposed) you could get to hidden peak in 2 lift rides. They’d have to do a lot of work to make the road work during the winter and for that many cars, but they could potentially build a massive parking area down there. Save Our Canyons would also be angry, but it seems like everything makes them angry.

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      • Snow Boys June 6, 2020 / 3:41 pm

        That could potentially work but like you said save the canyons is going to get angry. Where would the road come from to the parking lot? Also they could build a little lodge at the bottom and potentially have it as another base area. I think it should be a six pack though because it could potentially get crowded.

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      • skitheeast June 6, 2020 / 3:46 pm

        I am all in favor of expanding Snowbird’s terrain, but I do not think a base area at the bottom of American Fork will solve the problem. Even if they clear the roads, it would take quite a lot longer to get there from everywhere except Provo because of the way the roads circumvent the mountains. I actually do not mind the idea of pushing the crowds to the lifts and slopes because both Alta and Snowbird have terrain expansions and lift upgrades in the pipeline that should be able to absorb the crowds. Also, to keep everything in perspective, LCC’s crowds have definitely increased in the last decade, but I still find the lift lines shorter on average than most mountains in the state.

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        • Somebody June 6, 2020 / 4:31 pm

          From what I’ve heard, LCC road can back up multiple hours on powder days, so the extra 20 minutes into American Fork is inconsequential on the days it is useful.

          While Alta and Bird have expansions planned, none of them are enormous. Those expansions by themselves aren’t going to fix overcrowding in LCC, they are just going to delay the inevitable. When skier density gets higher, lift capacity goes up, but this has the side effect of overcrowding slopes and snow gets tracked off way faster. As the skiers per acre goes up, the skiing experience gets worse.

          LCC, solitude and Snowbasin have all the lift served gnarly terrain near SLC and combine to ~8,000 acres. That’s not much. Unless that number somehow gets a lot bigger, the skiing experience in Utah will just get worse.

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        • skitheeast June 7, 2020 / 12:18 pm

          Without traffic, it takes 15 minutes from Wasatch Blvd to drive up to Alta and about an hour to drive around to the base of American Fork, so there is a significant time gap. Yes, there is usually some form of traffic up LCC, but I am just giving a sense of scale. The only times where LCC truly becomes a nightmare are avalanches and powder days. Avalanche control closes sections of the road, and it would also occur on the alternative route up to American Fork. There is a large overlap between days that require avalanche control and powder days, so I am not sure how much good it would do for everyone except the Provo folks.

          As for the terrain expansions, Mary Ellen Gulch at Snowbird is projected to increase its skiable acres by 20% and Grizzly Gulch at Alta would increase its skiable acres by 10%. Plus, adding Grizzly Gulch coupled with a small lift at Solitude would facilitate a BCC/LCC connection and allow Solitude and Brighton to be added to the mix as well, further spreading out skiers. On top of everything else, both Alta and Snowbird have other lands they can use for future expansions is needed, so I am not too worried.

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  6. ne_skier June 6, 2020 / 10:51 am

    Isn’t Bousquet supposed to get a new summit lift?

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    • Tom June 6, 2020 / 7:22 pm

      Where did you hear that?

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      • ne_skier June 6, 2020 / 9:58 pm

        From the “2020 New Lifts” tab

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        • Peter Landsman June 7, 2020 / 2:18 pm

          There are quite a few recent additions on the 2020 New Lifts page for those who have not checked it out recently.

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        • Tom June 8, 2020 / 11:13 am

          Thanks for the update, wonder how lift blog was notified, can’t find anything on either the Bousquet or haystack/ hermitage website.

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    • sullivanq June 8, 2020 / 5:40 am

      Oh boy I hope so, although it is unlikely. They bought a new drive for that thing a little while back, which was probably worth more than the mountain itself, and it still failed the weight test so they could only load every other chair.

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      • Tom June 8, 2020 / 11:11 am

        What mountain/ lift are you referring too?

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        • sullivanq June 10, 2020 / 9:12 pm

          Tom I replied to a comment on the summit double at Bousquet

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    • A. G. June 8, 2020 / 9:47 pm

      Hiked Bousquet last weekend and while all of us locals love the old Yellow Chair, she’s showing her age. It’s well past time for a new way to the “top of the Biscuit”.

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      • sullivanq June 10, 2020 / 9:13 pm

        I think she was showing her age a long time ago haha. They just never had the money

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  7. Somebody June 9, 2020 / 2:09 am

    Thinking about it now, it’s seems a bit odd that Magic is installing a $1 million fixed grip when Saddleback is installing a $7 million detachable. I’ve never skied either but I’d take an educated guess that Magic’s market (and potential market) is larger than Saddleback’s…

    Maybe one of them is making a mistake here.

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    • Meir K. June 9, 2020 / 7:20 am

      Magic has a retro image they need to follow, this Alpha drive is replacing a Pohlig (the P in PHB). While Saddleback need to compete with the larger and well maintained SR, and SL, and also put themselvs back on the map.

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      • sullivanq June 10, 2020 / 9:20 pm

        Meir and that pohlig was a center pole that was replaced by triple chairs when they ripped out the midstation. That old black/blue chair was always a massive thorn in their side after Hans stepped down. So many problems.

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    • Tom June 9, 2020 / 7:46 am

      Magic Mtn, based upon New England ski resort history, does less than 50 k in skier visits, saddleback does 90k, this new black chair at magic could be a game changer for them.

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    • skitheeast June 9, 2020 / 7:49 am

      Magic has a lot less money given that it isn’t owned by a billion dollar company. Also, Saddleback has much less competition, as it is attempting to become only the third large resort in the state of Maine. Magic is situated in between Stratton and Okemo, not too far from Mount Snow or Killington either, adjacent to an already popular small mountain in Bromley. When they have historically tried competing at a high level, they have failed.

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    • sullivanq June 10, 2020 / 9:16 pm

      The thing with magic is that what people come for is the windy, narrow trails and glades. You can’t dump a ton of people at the top of the mountain because then you will have trail crowding, and that ruins the best part about the place.

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