News Roundup: Riverbanks

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  1. Peter Landsman's avatar Peter Landsman March 21, 2025 / 6:44 pm

    I accidentally hit publish on this one before it was quite finished. Sorry to those of you who got a half completed version by email.

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  2. Anthony's avatar Anthony March 21, 2025 / 8:25 pm

    Hoping Crystal’s looking to replace REX, though I’m not really holding my breath with the number of false starts that project has had. They also just announced they’ll be open till Memorial Day, which could complicate things.

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    • Joe Blake's avatar Joe Blake March 21, 2025 / 9:11 pm

      Complicate, but not necessarily delay. They often run just Chair 3 for skiing. My personal hope is Old Chair 7, but that hasn’t been approved unless I missed something.

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      • Enumclaw kid's avatar Enumclaw kid March 25, 2025 / 10:17 am

        Here’s my mostly uninformed theory: this is a Rex rebuild, not a full replace, with new terminals, rope and carriers and the same towers. Which is why we don’t know more publicly about it at this late date.

        The thing about the Kelly’s Gap lift on the MDP is that yes, it’s out of base capacity, but that’s it. It doesn’t really give you a lappable terrain pod (you going to put snowmaking in Left Angle Trees?). The cat maintenance shop is in the way. They would want facilities to go with it. We’d know already if that’s what this project was.

        I don’t think that the Kelly’s Gap lift is going to get built frankly. I think they will upgrade the gondola if they want to add capacity out of the base. (Also it might cut a lift line through Right Angle which would make me sad.)

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  3. Will's avatar Will March 21, 2025 / 11:02 pm

    Hopefully the new lift at Crystal is the long-awaited Kelly’s Gap Express. The profile looked nicely steep on their MDP, and it could help alleviate base congestion.

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  4. SkiLucas's avatar SkiLucas March 22, 2025 / 6:28 am

    Here’s Crystal’s Master Plan. It has a few replacements/expansions planned. I would love to see the Kelley’s Gap Express become a reality.

    MERGED FINAL Crystal ROD.doc

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  5. EpicFail's avatar EpicFail March 23, 2025 / 9:29 pm

    Vail’s “strategic” vision slides are no different than the junk they’ve been feeding us during the Leadership Summit at Keystone for the past 6-8 years.

    At least it was funnier when Shapiro, Barkin, Campbelll were around.

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  6. Dopeway's avatar Dopeway March 24, 2025 / 6:49 am

    Personal gripes about Mr. Horning aside, the Telluride speech rings true as pervasive across much (not all) of the industry right now:

    • Lack of investment in new lifts
      • Skier experience now secondary to being a “4 season resort”
    • Deferred maintenance on existing lifts
      • Teetering on the edge of safe
    • Neglect of the community that supports the resort
      • Boots on the ground taking responsibility that management won’t
      • Wages that do not reflect that responsibility

    The result being that the most conscientious people get fed up and leave the industry, thereby reinforcing the downward spiral.

    Am I on to something, or have I simply been sniffing cold galvi for too long?

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    • skitheeast's avatar skitheeast March 24, 2025 / 10:07 am

      For Telluride specifically, I think the underlying issue is that its status among premier ski resorts has fallen since Chuck Horning bought the resort in 2004. Most of that decline has occurred since the Great Recession, and that delayed onset indicates a lack of investment rather than blatant mismanagement. The most obvious areas are lifts and snowmaking. Sunshine Express is really old and should run much faster with newer tech given its length, many locals park at Carhenge and it is embarrassing that the only lift out of there is an antiquated double, and the Apex terrain pod is completely underutilized due to it being a slow triple. The latter issue, snowmaking, is arguably a bigger problem with Telluride’s snowfall being more variable than some of its peers, and its mere 15% coverage is well-below Ajax (33%), Taos (50%), and Beaver Creek (33%).

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    • pbropetech's avatar pbropetech March 24, 2025 / 11:08 am

      I don’t think you’ve been sniffing cold galvi too long. I’ve seen this as well. My resort, fortunately, does not fall into most of these categories. The 4-season resort model is something all of us larger areas do, but I suspect that many subsidise it with winter ops (as we did for years until summer finally became self-funding). That takes away from being able to invest in employees, infrastructure, and winter, which still is the overwhelming majority of a ski area’s income.

      Deferred maintenance is definitely a slippery slope. ‘We can’t afford it this year’ becomes ‘well, we didn’t do it last summer, and nothing happened, so let’s continue to put it off’. It’s one thing if it’s a couple of broken windows in a terminal (although that’s an indicator to the public) but doing the bare minimum year after year will bite you after a while.

      I think most of us in this line of work fit into your last two points. I have also seen this around the industry. None of us want things to go south so we’ll do what we can to avoid that regardless of whether management is behind it or directing it. We did recently get a ‘retention raise’ aimed at keeping us grey-hairs around, so our management was proactive there and I’ll take it. I have heard here and elsewhere that that is rare.

      I don’t know too much about what’s been going on down south; I used to know a couple of mechanics at Telluride but they’ve moved on. It sounds like the relationship between TelSki and Mountain Village has frayed (not sure about the actual town of Telluride). I haven’t seen too much to tell me that their current ownership is neglecting the area but it’s been a while since I’ve been there. Some of the gripes sound like folks who are unhappy that things like lift replacements and snowmaking aren’t happening as fast as they want.

      $0.02

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